Reginald DE QUINCY
Sex: M
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Birth: Abt 1184 Of, Winchester, Hampshire, England
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Father: Saher DE QUINCY Earl of Winchester (1155-1219)
Mother: Margaret DE BEAUMONT (Abt 1160-1234)
Robert DE QUINCY
Sex: M
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Birth: 1186
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Death: 1217 London, England
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Father: Saher DE QUINCY Earl of Winchester (1155-1219)
Mother: Margaret DE BEAUMONT (Abt 1160-1234)
Spouses and Children
1. *Helen FERCH LLEWELLYN (1206 - 1253)
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2. Countess Hawise-Of-Chester Of Lincoln (1180 - 1241)
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1. Margaret DE QUINCY (1200 - 1266)
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General:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (184A:9), (236:8).
Lord Robert DE QUINCY
Sex: M
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Birth: Abt 1100 Of, Winchester, Hampshire, England
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Death: 1198 England
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Father: Saier DE QUINCY (Abt 1090- )
Mother: Maud De ST. LIZ ( - )
Spouses and Children
1. *Orabella DE LEUCHARS ( - )
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1. Saher DE QUINCY Earl of Winchester (1155 - 3 Nov 1219)
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General:
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (53:27).
His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here. Lord of Buckley and Fawside Crusader
Roger DE QUINCY Earl Of Winchester
Sex: M
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Birth: Abt 1194 Winchester, Hamp, Eng
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Death: 25 Apr 1264 , , , England
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Father: Saher DE QUINCY Earl of Winchester (1155-1219)
Mother: Margaret DE BEAUMONT (Abt 1160-1234)
Spouses and Children
1. *Maud DE BOHUN (1174 - 1252)
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2. Alianore DE FERRERS (1236 - )
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3. Helen MAC DONAL (1194 - After 1282)
Marriage: 1224 Winchester, Hamp, Eng
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1. Margaret DE QUINCY (1218 - 1283)
2. Elizabeth DE QUINCY (Abt 1220 - 12 Apr 1282)
3. Elena DE QUINCY (20 Aug 1226 - Bef 20 Aug 1296)
4. Anne DE QUINCY (1234 - )
Notes
General:
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . . " (38:27), (53:28), (57:28), (189:4), (224:28), (236:8).
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Berkeley, p.128), identifies him as the father of MARGARET.
Dictionary of National Biography_, vol. 16, p. 558: "Roger de Quincy, second earl of Winchester (1195?-1264), the second son of SAER DE QUINCY, was, with his father, excommunicated by Innocent III in 1215. He probably joined his father in his crusade, and his eldest brother ROBERT being dead, he did homage, and received livery of his father's lands in February 1221; the time that had elapsed since his father's death suggests his absence from England. He did not, however, succeed to the earldom until his mother's death (19 Feb. 1235). Meanwhile, in 1222, he served in the king's [HENRY III] army in Poitou. Having married HELEN, eldest daughter and coheiress of ALAN LORD OF GALLOWAY, who died in 1234, he divided AlLAN's lands with the husbands of his wife's sisters, John de Baliol and William, afterwards earl of Albemarle (d. 1260). The rights of ALAN's daughters were disputed by Thomas, ALAN's natural son, and the Gallwegians, preferring one lord to three, requested their king, Alexander II, either to take the inheritance himself or grant it to Thomas. On his refusal they rebelled, and were defeated by Alexander, who established the three lords in their portions of ALAN's domains, Roger being constable of Scotland in right of his wife. . . . He served with tTHE KING in Guienne in 1242, and was one of the nobles who in that year obtained leave from HENRY to return to England. . . . On the death of his sister-in-law, the Countess of Albemarle, without issue in 1246, a further part of Galloway fell to him in right of his wife. He ruled the chiefs with excessive strictness; they rose against him suddenly, and in 1247 besieged him in one of his castles. Preferring to risk death by the sword to the certainty of death by famine, he armed himself fully, mounted his charger, caused the gates of the castle to be thrown open, and attended by a few followers, cut his way through the besiegers, and rode for his life until he reached the Scottish king's court. Alexander took up his cause, punished the rebels, and reestablished him in his domains. "Earl Roger attended the parliament held in London on 9 Feb. 1248, at which HENRY III was reproved for his misgovernment, and also the parliament of 1254, at which the prelates and magnates expressed their distrust of THE KING. In July 1257 THE KING appointed him a joint commissioner for composing the disputes between the young king of Scotland, Alexander III, and certain of his nobles, or, in other words, between Alan Durward, the head of the party that upheld the English influence, and the Comyns. In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the 12 elected by the community to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament.
2nd Earl of Winchester
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!2nd Earl Winchester, constable of Scotland
Saher DE QUINCY Earl of Winchester
Sex: M
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Birth: 1155
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Death: 3 Nov 1219 Damietta, Holy Land
Burial: Acre, , , Palestine
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Father: Lord Robert DE QUINCY (Abt 1100-1198)
Mother: Orabella DE LEUCHARS ( - )
Spouses and Children
1. *Margaret DE BEAUMONT (Abt 1160 - 12 Jan 1234)
Marriage: Abt 1190 England
Children:
1. Hawise DE QUINCY (Abt 1178 - 11 Feb 1222)
2. Roger DE QUINCY Earl Of Winchester (Abt 1194 - 25 Apr 1264)
3. Loretta DE QUINCY (1198 - )
4. Robert DE QUINCY (1186 - 1217)
5. John DE QUINCY (Abt 1182 - )
6. Hawise De QUINCY ( - )
7. Reginald DE QUINCY (Abt 1184 - )
8. Arabella DE QUINCY (1204 - 1258)
Notes
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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (53:27), (54:28), (60:27), (236:8).
Saher IV had a public life which was busy and important. He served King Richard I and KING JOHN in Normandy in 1197-9 and his position in Scottish society made him a fit person to conduct KING WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913) to meet KKING JOHN in 1200. During the war with France he was captured, but raised a ransom and returned to England. Created earl of Winchester, about 1206-7, he remained active in royal affairs: he served in the exchequer, acted as justice in many counties and travelled abroad on the king's business, to Scotland, Ireland and Germany. In 1209, he had with him in Scotland a force of 100 knights and 100 sergeants. While baronial oppositon to KING JOHN grew stronger, Saher remained loyal to the king, but joined the confederate barons a month of so before the granting of Magna Carta in June 1215. In 1216, he went to France to invite PRINCE LOUIS (RIN 3161) to England and as a result the crown confiscated his estates. After taking part in several military expeditions on behalf of LOUIS, Earl Saher was defeated and captured by the royal forces at Lincoln on 20 May 1217. Soon afterwards he returned to his allegiance and was given back his lands. In January 1219, he despatched a ship from Galloway to collect at Bristol necessaries for the journey he proposed to make to Jerusalem. Following his father's example, he duly became a Crusader, but fell ill and died at Damietta, on November 1219, and was buried at Acre. Before his death, he commanded that his heart should be taken back to England for burial in Garendon abbey, Leicestershire. One event in Saher's private life was largely responsible for raising him to the position of public importance which he held. This was his marriage, the most brilliant match so far achieved by any member of the family. His wife was MARGARET, daughter of ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, third earl of Leicester, sister and co-heir of Robert 'Fitz Pernel', fourth earl of Leicester. The date of this important marriage is unknown. The most obvious effect of the marriage on the Quincy family was that it brought great additions to their estates. On the death of MARGARET's brother, Robert Fitz Pernel, in 1204, Saher IV became, in right of his wife, co-heir to the estates of the honours of Leicester and Grandmesnil. The other co-heir was SIMON DE MONTFORT (RIN 870), husband of MARGARET's sister AMICE (RIN 871), and grandfather of the famous Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester. The Leicester estates were vast and lay mainly in the English midlands, particularly of course in Leicestershire. To the Scottish and English estates which he had inherited from his father, Saher and MaARGARET thus added lands many times the value of the ancestral holding. The earls of Leicester, who took their origin from ROGER DE BEAUMONT (RIN 1033), one of WILLIAM THE CONQUERER's Normans, had also possessed considerable French estates, particularly in Eure, where lay the Beaumont which provided some members of the family with a surname. But these Norman estates passed from the family in 1204 when AMICE DE MONTFORT resigned to PHILIP AUGUSTUS the castle of Breteuil, dep. Eure, the caput of the earls' Norman honour, and with it everything that the last earl held in Normandy. At the same time AMICE undertook to indemnify her sister MARGARET, Saher's wife, out of the English estates and guaranteed that MARGARET would raise no claim to the French properties. Although Saher and MARGARET seem thus to have been denied any share in the French lands of the earls of Leicester, which PHILIP AUGUSTUS added to his own demesne, the upheavals caused by KING JOHN's loss of Normandy may have left the question open. When in 1206-7 Saher and MARGARET came to divide the Leicester lands with AMICE and SIMON DE MONTFORT, it was agreed that Saher should have *40 of land per annum from SIMON's share until SIMON put Saher in possession of his due portion of the Leicester lands in Normandy. This arrangement may have been the origin of a Quincy claim to Norman estates which apparently survived, after Saher's death, as part of the Quincy family inheritance. Nevertheless, Beaumont estates in England were a rich prize for Saher, not only in themselves, but also since it was because he possessed half of the Leicester lands that he was created earl of Winchester about 1206-7, at the time of the partition. His earldom was considered to be equivalent to the earldom of Southampton, from which county he received *10 a year _nomine comitis_, although he held no lands in the county. For the third time a Quincy had married well--so well that he was raised to the peerage. The family had moved rapidly up the social scale since the day, some eighty years before, when Saher I held one and a half fees in Long Buckby. Marriage to a Beaumont also opened up for the Quincys a new and wide range of family connections, which were always important within a social structure which depended greatly on the links of family with family and generation with generation. Partition of the Leicester inheritance put Saher on a level with the great Montfort family, and links with them survived under Earl ROGER, who, for example, made a grant to the nunnery of Pre'aux, dep. Eure, in conjunction with Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester, and resigned to that earl, 'his dearest kinsman', the advowson and site of Garendon, Leics.
Saier DE QUINCY
Sex: M
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Birth: Abt 1090 Of, Winchester, Hampshire, England
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1. *Maud DE ST. LIZ (Abt 1096 - 1140)
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2. Maud De ST. LIZ ( - )
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1. Lord Robert DE QUINCY (Abt 1100 - 1198)
James DE RADCLYFFE Sir
Sex: M
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Birth: 1355
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Death: 1409
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Father: William DE RADCLYFFE (1330-1390)
Mother: Susannah DE LEGH ( - )
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1. *Joan TEMPEST ( - )
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1. Richard RADCLIFFE (1379 - 1442)
Richard DE RADCLYFFE
Sex: M
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Birth: 1305
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Death: 1375
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Father: William DE RADCLYFFE (Abt 1280-1333)
Mother: Margaret DE PEASFURLONG ( - )
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1. *Isabel ( - )
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1. William DE RADCLYFFE (1330 - 1390)
Richard DE RADCLYFFE
Sex: M
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Father: Robert DE RADCLYFFE ( -1290)
Mother: Annabella TRAFFORD ( - )
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1. *Unknown ( - )
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1. Margaret RADCLYFFE ( - )
Robert DE RADCLYFFE
Sex: M
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Death: 1290 England
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Father: Adam DE RATCLYFFE ( -1250)
Mother: N.N. DE CURWEN ( - )
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1. *Annabella TRAFFORD ( - )
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1. Richard DE RADCLYFFE ( - )
2. Amabil DE TRAFFORD ( - )
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1. Richard DE RATCLYFFE ( - 1326)
