RI: Radio Interviewer

MM: Mickey Moran

BB: Bill Beeny

RI: Welcome to the program, Bill.

BB: Thank you, Harlan. It's a privilege to be on your show.

RI: Well, we appreciate you coming on. We also would like to welcome to our talking circle, Mickey Moran. Mickey owns the "Elvis Is Alive" webpage. He joins us from his home office in Louisville, Kentucky. Welcome to the show, Mickey.

MM: Thank you, I'm glad to be here.

RI: Well, thank you for joining us; and Bill let's start with you. What in the world got you into believing that Elvis is still alive?

BB: Well, Harlan, my primary business is real estate. I've been a real estate developer for thirty-some-odd years; and as a diversion we opened the 50's cafe in our little town just to have something different to do; and as time went on, Elvis loomed much larger than the other 50's characters and that's how we got interested particularly in Elvis. That's about the time the stamp came out. And so many people came into the cafe saying, "What's your view on Elvis being alive?" And I thought, "This is ridiculous. Everyone knows that Elvis is dead." Then doubts began to come when people said, "What about this. What about that. And what about the strange things surrounding his death." So, I began to make a study. The thing became a hobby with me and I began to read everything I could get worldwide that had been written, pro and con, to try and arrive at the truth. The more I read the more I became convinced that there was a possibility Elvis was alive. Then I began to do some traveling to interview some people that were close to Elvis; and talk to them about certain aspects of his death. And this increased my belief that Elvis is alive today. But I didn't have that final capstone that would nail it down. Because I wanted proof, not that Aunt Molly saw Elvis at Wal-Mart or some rumor. We have dealt with strictly scientific fact; voice prints, handwriting samples, eye-witness accounts that were at the funeral, medical records, and so-forth. I was on a talk show in Memphis, Tennessee, The Rock Station, and when I ended the show I was called by a medical doctor that said if you'll come to Memphis, I can show you tissue that was taken of Elvis in a biopsy two times, '73 and '75, and I also have in my possession autopsy tissue. If you're interested come down and we'll discuss these possibilities.

RI: Now, was there an autopsy done on Elvis?

BB: There was an autopsy done on 'a body'.

RI: ...a body?

BB: Reported to be Elvis. Yes.

RI: I'm told that at his funeral there was a closed-casket.

BB: No, it was an open casket.

RI: It was an open casket.

BB: There was one picture made of what was reported to be Elvis in the casket. The National Enquirer paid a second cousin $10,000.00 to take a photograph and that photograph is circulated.

RI: Now, Mickey, what makes you think that the King of Rock'N'Roll is still alive?

MM: Well, there's no one thing. There's so many inconsistencies. What got me started was when Gail Brewer-Giorgio came out with her first book Is Elvis Alive? I read that. It overwhelmed me. I started searching everywhere that I could think of; the internet, books, etc. I gathered lot's of information and after putting it all together, I'm convinced. There's no doubt in my mind that Elvis is alive.

RI: But what are some of the things that really make you believe? Bill was talking about these DNA tests and things like that. What is it deep inside you that makes you think that he's still alive?

MM: It's just so many different things like the misspelling on the tombstone and the weight difference that didn't show up on the death certificate...

RI: What is that? What do you mean by the weight difference?

MM: Well, on the death certificate, it shows Elvis as weighing 170 pounds, or whoever they did the autopsy on as weighing 170 pounds, when Elvis obviously weighed around 250 pounds at the time of his supposed death. That put together with all of the other things; the weight of the coffin being supposedly 900 pounds which is an astronomical figure for the weight of a coffin, and there's just so many different things...

BB: The insurance was a big thing also, Harlan. Elvis had three insurance policies. He had two paid-up policies that was worth $1,200,000.00. He cashed these in and that $1,200,000.00 vanished, it just disappeared. When they probated his will they could not find any trace of this $1,200,000.00 from the insurance policies. He also had a policy, a term life, with the Lloyds of London for $3,000,000.00 to be paid at his death. That policy has never been collected on to this day. The reason being, If Elvis is alive, and some of his heirs collected the $3,000,000.00, that would be felony fraud. So, even though some people say that Graceland just didn't need the money so they didn't apply for it, that isn't true. At the time of Elvis' supposed death Graceland was flat broke. They were so broke that they didn't have the money to pay for the moving of Gladys, that was his mother, moving her body from the mausoleum over to the Graceland compound. So the funeral home took a lien against Graceland. Now if they could have had $3,000,000.00 just by collecting his insurance, they certainly would have taken it being as broke as they were.

RI: Did you know that Elvis was Eastern Cherokee?

BB: Yes I did, and also, Elvis gave very generously to many causes of Native Americans.

RI: Claira, welcome to the show.

Caller 1: Good Morning.

RI: Hey Claira, how's it going?

Caller 1: Oh, pretty good. I had always wondered about the name on his tombstone. Are they going to ever correct that if they find out that it's him?

RI: Bill, explain to me more about what's on his tombstone.

BB: On his tombstone is Elvis Aaron Presley and Aron is misspelled. It's AARON which is the biblical spelling of Aaron. Elvis always spelled his name ARON. Now, when Elvis was born the doctor did make a mistake and put on the birth certificate AARON. Gladys, a few months later, had this changed and a new birth certificate made with ARON because he had a twin that was stillborn at the time of the birth, and she had named him Jesse Garon, GARON, so she wanted Aron to match Garon, so she wanted it spelled ARON. On all of his records; military, and any place his name showed on official records it was always ARON. Now the question is, why did they misspell his name on the grave when Vernon, his father, obviously knew his son's name. I can't say for certain. Some said that it's in an event that there was ever something said, this is a fraud, people are paying to go by Elvis' grave and this is a fake and a fraud. Elvis isn't in the grave; and they could say, "Well, this is Elvis AARON." Now, whether that's the case or... Maybe Mickey can shed some light. I don't know why they misspelled the name. If you look on the front gate of Graceland, I noticed this in a recent visit down there, they have a plaque, Elvis ARON Presley on the front gate at the entrance into the compound of Graceland.

RI: Mickey, what do you think?

MM: I think a lot of it plays a part into Elvis' strong feeling toward numerology. He felt that changing the spelling of that middle name would change the vibes and not tempt fate. If you notice, Elvis' name is not the only one misspelled on the tombstones. Elvis' twin brother that was stillborn, his name is also misspelled. His birth certificate, Jesse Garon Presley spelled JESSE and the tombstone is spelled JESSIE. Elvis felt that when one twin died the living twin inherited everything from the dead twin. And he felt that to change the vibes, he would not only need to change the spelling of his name but also of his brother.

RI: Okay, Claira, did you have another question?

Caller 1: Yes. If he is alive and they do find him, what's gonna happen?

RI: Claira, do you think that it's possible that Elvis is still alive somewhere?

Caller 1: It sounds like he is. My sister is a number one fan and she believes that he is.

RI: What was your question again?

Caller 1: If he is alive and they find him, since they said he died and he's alive what are the consequences?

BB: Claira, Elvis has broken no laws. That's the reason they wouldn't take the insurance money. The $1,200,000.00, he was entitled to that. These were paid up and he could cash them in at any time. Elvis has broken no laws, so, there's no problem there. Furthermore, it is our firm belief that the FBI assisted Elvis in this cover-up. We have 663 pages in our museum of FBI files that pertain to Elvis and his work collecting information. It also documents hundreds of death threats that Elvis had. He was involved in a tremendous sting operation right before the funeral breaking up a mob group called 'The Fraternity' headed by Peter Frederick Pro.

RI: That's not widely known. Tell me more about that.

BB: Elvis always had a desire to be in law enforcement and he was a bona fide DEA agent. A lot of people have Elvis as a druggy that was stoned out all the time. I do not believe this. The FBI would not have a bona fide agent, and Elvis was more than just an honorary agent. In 1970 President Nixon made Elvis an agent at large. He was the first agent at large ever appointed. Since then they have a bureau that has agents at large, but Elvis was the first. He had the little black book that had the other secret undercover agents in it. This would not have been given to somebody that was just honorary. He had a federal agent that played in his band for two years undercover. If you go to the trophy room at Graceland, you'll see a letter from the department of justice thanking Elvis for letting this undercover federal agent play in his band for two years while doing investigation work. The FBI files document the fact that Elvis permitted the Mafia group to swindle him out of a JetStar plane worth $1,200,000.00. When the plane was sold in Miami, the FBI had determined that they had given Elvis phony cashier's checks that were worthless and they moved in and arrested the mob and it's leader, Peter Frederick Pro. Elvis, then, something had to be done to protect him. One of the mob members turned on his group and gave evidence to the FBI and he was immediately put into a Federal Witness Protection Program. Now if it was dangerous for this mob member to be around in the community, think how much more dangerous it was for Elvis. I debated the Elvis bodyguards on CNBC in New York and they had an FBI agent there and they asked him the question, "Is it possible that the FBI could have assisted Elvis and could they have caused him to disappear?" The FBI agent's answer was, "Certainly. This could have been done very easily with the help of the federal government."

RI: Sky, you're on the air.

Caller 2: Good morning.

RI: Hey, what's going on? Have you seen Elvis?

Caller 2: No, but maybe I'll start looking now. My question is, do either of your guests know the actual connection Elvis has with Cherokee nation and what relatives and any of their names?

RI: Well, you know what, Sky, we don't really know that but we did call Graceland and we talked to one of their public relations people and the first tip that I got was when Ellen B. put together the Native American music awards up in Connecticut just this past May and she was telling me, too, that she called Graceland and they said, "Yeah..., Elvis is Eastern Cherokee." But, I don't know. Mickey, do you know more about that?

MM: I know that Elvis' great-great-great-grandmother, her name was Morning White Dove, and she was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian that lived from 1800 to 1835. I don't know much beyond that point.

RI: What about you, Bill?

BB: No, I'm sorry I don't know. I do know that there's an investigation that has been launched by Graceland into this fact.

RI: To me Elvis just had to be native. I mean the way he moved, the way he sang. He just had to be native, and, uh, then I saw that movie when I was growing up, Flaming Star, remember that movie? That was a great show when Elvis was playing an Indian and I was like, Man, this guy's got to have some native blood in him. Sky, you have any other thoughts on this?

Caller 2: No, I just think it's real interesting. I always thought it was a big joke. I was a little young for him but this is an interesting program. All these facts. It could be true.

RI: He disappeared but where did he go? You know, I think I heard some people talking about they saw him out at Hela River in Arizona the other night. So, there are some Elvis sightings in Indian country. Mickey, tell us about your webpage. What do you have on your webpage that people can tap into, maybe you could give your address real quick.

MM: Sure. The address is http://moranandcompany.simplenet.com/elvispage.html Mainly, all of the facts that I have collected over the last 15 years from various books and some facts that I've collected from Mr. Beeny, Gail Brewer-Giorgio, some stuff that I have dug up on my own. I've just compiled it all into one webpage for people to study. That's mainly it.

RI: Bill, if Elvis is alive then why is it so far to find him. It seems like we've got all these investigative reporters, we've got people that are so interested in his life. How can he stay out of the limelight?

BB: It's very simple, Harlan. Two or three things..., first of all, people, when they're looking for Elvis, they have in their minds the Elvis they saw performing. The black hair, the high cheek-bones, tanned skin..., they're looking for that Elvis. We can't conceive of Elvis being old just like we don't conceive of Marilyn Monroe being old. You can't conceive of an old Marilyn Monroe. We knew them as relatively young. Elvis is 62 years old. He has white hair. He's thinned down. He's about 170 pounds now.

RI: Does he still have the sideburns?

BB: He does not have the sideburns. He has shorter sideburns and people are not looking for a man like that. He could walk in our museum along with a group of other people and unless he spoke and that baritone voice came out, or you looked into those blue eyes, you wouldn't even recognize him as being Elvis. We're not looking for a 62 year old Elvis. But the interest is still there. We've had all of the..., NBC, ABC, at our museum. We've had CNN there. Day before yesterday, People magazine came out and filmed for seven hours. The interest is still there. But people are looking for a young Elvis not an older Elvis. And I don't think he has to go in hiding or have any masquerade. He can move around because we're not looking for a 62 year old, gray haired Elvis.

RI: Mickey, what do you think? How can Elvis stay in hiding? I just can't believe if he's alive somewhere that people can't find him, that he's able to fake us all out.

MM: Well, I agree with everything that Bill just said. Also, you have to remember that he has not managed to stay in hiding. Look at how many people have spotted him and called and told other people that didn't believe them.

BB: I think, Harlan, that if Elvis wanted to come out, he would have a hard time proving it. They would say, "Oh, sure you're Elvis." There are a lot of impersonators out there, of course, and I think he would have to do a blood test or DNA all over to prove who he was. People are very skeptical.

RI: Well, let's bring in Greg from New Mexico. Greg, you're on the air. Do you think Elvis could still be alive?

Caller 3: Well, I think he could be but I have this question that bothers me. His death took place supposedly a week before he was to testify on the drug activities. My question is why did they do it a week before his testimony when I'm sure they could have used the testimony and then faked his death a week or two later.

BB: Well, the reason is, the death threats were very imminent on Elvis. The Mafia guy went into hiding. He was immediately whisked away into a program. Elvis had already given countless pages of deposition. He had given all sorts of information, such as the phony cashier's checks that he had gotten for his plane. They had enough evidence to nail this thing down. Elvis was not going to court the next week he was going before the federal grand jury in Memphis, but right in Louisville where Mr. Moran is, Elvis had one of his most serious death threats in Louisville, Kentucky, that the FBI had to rush in and protect him. And I think it was a security matter that this was carried out a week before he was to testify before the federal grand jury.

RI: Mickey Moran, do you believe that this was all part of a cover-up? That the government was actually involved in this?

MM: Oh, definitely. There's no doubt about that.

RI: What makes you think that?

MM: Just like Bill's been talking about. The people that he was going to testify against were very serious people. They were very serious about their death threats. As a matter of fact, it's been stated on a couple of accounts that they managed to sneak into Graceland and leave a note in Elvis' daughter, Lisa Marie's, room stating, "This is how easily we could get to you." That would have to be enough to scare a man into hiding.

RI: Now let's talk about Lisa Marie a little bit more because all of the sudden she was gone too. Do you think that she went with her dad, Elvis, off to some island. I mean that's what I hear a lot, that he went off to some island somewhere and that he took Lisa Marie with him and then all of the sudden, she comes back. From where?

MM: Well, I haven't done a lot of investigation as to what happened to Lisa after that but I understand that Bill has done some.

RI: Okay, Bill. What do you think about this mystery over Lisa Marie because really she was out of the public spotlight for some time.

BB: For ten years. Well, Harlan, this opens up a whole new subject. Perhaps sometime on a different program we can go in depth to it. I'll say just a little bit about it. Lisa Marie also was protected. Priscilla, and I have the old newspaper accounts of this from the '70's, Priscilla and her lover, Mike Stone, that was the karate instructor that she left Elvis for, took Lisa Marie to Europe and left her there to grow up. And the newspaper accounts, we have several of them, that verify this, and we have further evidence and the bombshell is this and we don't have time to get into it and I don't want to deviate off the subject that we have been working on so far. But I can tell you this. The woman who married Michael Jackson is not Lisa Marie Presley.

RI: Are you serious?

BB: I am dead serious. Just as serious that I am that Elvis is alive. We don't have time to bring all of the evidence and I don't want to sidetrack off of the subject that Elvis is alive but this girl has grown up in Europe. Graceland has supported her. We know who Michael Jackson's former wife is. I have given four shows right in Memphis, Tennessee on this and no one has ever refuted it. We're this serious, my son is a well-known attorney in St. Louis and he is currently representing the woman in Europe who has now, very recently, come to this country. He is representing her as her attorney to get her reinstated. There have been footprint tests done that we were able to get done. There have been DNA tests done and this is going to be a huge, huge story.

RI: Let's bring in Ken from New Mexico, you're on the air.

Caller 4: Yes..., I wanted to talk about the spelling of Aron. Elvis had his name legally changed before he died to have the two A's in it to correct the misspelling of his birth. The name Aaron came from Vernon's friend, Aaron Kennedy.

BB: Well, as I said, that was one theory and I didn't subscribe one way or the other as to why. I said I didn't know why they changed it. I do know that on all of Elvis' legal documents right up to the last concert contract that he signed and the last record contracts that he signed, he always used ARON. We have photocopies of these contracts. His army papers was ARON and right up to the 'death', everything that he did that had a legal significance, Elvis always signed his name ARON.

Caller 4: Yes. For most of his life he did but he did have it legally changed.

BB: Do you have the court documents on that?

Caller 4: No, I don't have court documents.

BB: I have never seen a court document. I have heard that rumor but I have never seen anything legally that said this is a fact. Perhaps you have. I haven't.

Caller 4: It's been pointed out in several books.

BB: Yeah. I know it's in several books but I would like to see the document reproduced that says this and some of his, right up to the end, RCA contracts all had ARON on them. And if you look on the front gate of Graceland's compound, they have a huge plaque there and they have ARON on that also.

RI: It's a little far-fetched for me. I just don't think that someone who was such a part of our culture could stay hid.

BB: Let me address that if I could. I don't mean to push Mickey out. Elvis Presley, right before the so-called funeral, was a very, very miserable man and had been for many years. There are many, many biographers that have pointed out that Elvis said, "I would give anything to get out of this life. I am sick of the pressure." It had effected his health. He had twisted colon, glaucoma, he couldn't go anywhere without mobs of people. He couldn't have a normal life. And then when all of this Mafia stuff came down, he put tin foil on his windows, he was a prisoner in his own home and he was totally miserable. He wanted a life that he could live and that he could enjoy. And that made since.

RI: Mickey, what do you think about this? Where could he possibly be?

MM: There's millions of places he could be. Like Bill said, he could be right in front of us and we would never recognize him, the way that he would look today. One other point that is a little surprising that has not been brought up yet is that Elvis is still listed as the tax-payer and owner of the property that Graceland sits on. Why would it be listed in a dead person's name? When this was brought up to the assessor for Shelby County, he was unable to explain it. That's one that still has to be explained.

BB: Also, we might point out that his funeral, Elvis, of course, was in the service and very proud of it and everyone to this day is very proud that Elvis didn't try to dodge the draft or go in as an entertainer. But, Vernon, would not allow a military funeral. There was no guns fired. There was no military aspect to the funeral. Because Elvis was an extremely patriotic person, and since this was a fake funeral, he felt this would be a shame on him and the government that he loved so very much. There was no military funeral at the time of his supposed death.

RI: Let's bring in Bob from Oregon. Bob, you're on the air.

Caller 5: Elvis, he did it his way. He was here for the longest time and he also mentioned that he was gonna die when his mother died. I don't know if you remember that. His mother died at about the same age and he really felt bad about that. He loved his mother dearly. He said that he was going to die around the same age that his mother died. He's gone. A lot of people don't want to let him go but..., I don't know. Elvis will always be the king.

RI: Bob, are you a big Elvis fan?

Caller 5: You bet.

RI: When you grew up, did you want to be Elvis?

Caller 5: In a way I wanted to be like him but I didn't want to be him. I wanted to sing like Elvis. I wanted to be dressed like Elvis. I even let my sideburns grow. My hair was cut like his but I didn't want to be him. I just wanted to be like him.

RI: Let's go to Lorna in New Mexico. Hello Lorna.

Caller 6: Yeah. I have always thought that Elvis seemed very unhappy. Unable to come to grips with the fame and the admiration of his fans and how limited his life had to be as a result of that. He certainly had the resources to do what you're describing. But, you're also describing something that sounds an awful lot like a witness protection program. Under those types of programs, all of his assets, including his real assets, would have been liquidated and run through a series of banks sort of like a money laundering scheme and then the money would have surfaced again in some kind of an account that he would have had access to. This did not happen.

BB: This is exactly what did happen. As I said, Elvis had cashed in a policy for $1,200,000.00 and this money did disappear and I think it was laundered and cleaned and Elvis was able to use it. Graceland was in bad financial shape at that time and there was not millions laying around in bank accounts. It was in very bad financial shape. It was only after they brought in people and began marketing the Graceland house and the licensing that Graceland began to make the money. The $300,000,000.00 that Graceland is reportedly worth today did not exist back in 1977. It was flat broke. But the $1,200,000.00 did go with Elvis and was laundered and he did get the benefit from it.

Caller 6: I hope he did do what you are describing.

RI: Could it be that they actually changed the way Elvis looked?

BB: I have no indication that there was any facial features changed. Now the bodyguards that I debated on NBC that put down what I had to say; the producer came and called me a month later and said, "Do you know who has just written an article in People magazine in London and is saying that Elvis is alive?" ...and I said, "No." He said, "The very guys you debated." And they described, and this is in my book, they described that how, in a trailer behind Graceland, where one of them lived, that Elvis sat down with them and said he had been negotiating with a man who is terminally ill and when he dies I have agreed to support his family as long as I'm alive. Elvis then said, "He will donate his body and on the day he dies, I will die." That man was somewhat younger than Elvis. He weighed 170 pounds, which fit just what Mickey was saying. The death certificate has Elvis at 170 pounds. Elvis weighed 256 pounds. My question that I outline to people is, "How did Elvis lose 86 pounds going to the morgue?" It's biologically impossible.

RI: I'm still not convinced that Elvis is still alive. Do you have something to tell me that will just blow my mind?

BB: Well..., we have irrefutable DNA and you can't get any stronger than that. We have two samples of his biopsies from 1973 and 1975. They are marked with a Baptist Memorial stamp on them. We have the autopsy sample of tissue. These were sent to a biolab in North Carolina and they came back saying that these are two different people. If we can't believe DNA, I don't know what we could believe.