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(12-18-98)

LedZep: That's a pretty silly statement, you silly little man!

Reg: SPIRIT, there is only one God, making your question silly.

Tek: VICE - christianity isn't the same as Jesus' teachings...how do we know exactly what he said and meant?

HSP: In genesis it plainly says gods

Reg: SPIRIT, you know Him as the Most High God.

Om: Since Hinduism and Buddhism were well established during the lifetime of Jesus... and since Jesus is believed to be God, and therefore, omniscient, knowing all future events, then why is there not one single mention of Buddhism or Hinduism ... or their alleged falsehood... in any of the Gospels... since there is much mention and warning of false teachers, and deception in the last times?

Reg: Lad, not multiple gods, multiple persons in the godhead.

Cher: .....no mention os toasters either..what's your point

Om: .Since God has Omniscient foreknowledge of all future events, if TRUE DOCTRINE were so important, then... God, foreknowing the various disputes regarding Trinity, or Christ's Divinity, or Purgatory, or Transubstantiation... God would have inspired additional, more detailed scriptural verses, to eliminate doubts and disputes on key doctrines.

Reg: OM, why?

Om: .The past 2000 years shows that Christian and Islamic peoples are no more moral or ethical or loving or peaceful that Hindus/ Buddhist. In light of German Jewish Holocaust, Spanish Inquisition, conquests of North & So. American Indians, the rise of Communism, the African slave trade, witch burnings, and Islamic conquests... Christian and Islamic peoples are considerably less nice than Hindu and Buddhist peoples.

Reg: TEK, The God-man Christ did die, but He rose again and is presently reigning on the right-hand of His Father.

Om: ..Worship of God, under threat of eternal torment for failure to believe, or worship, is analogous to romance at gun-point..... its called RAPE. It violates the free-will. And covenants or contracts agreed to under such duress are null and void under most systems of jurisprudence.

HSP: Jesus Ye Olde Dead god on a Stick

Reg: Om, you have no free will, you are a slave to sin.

Om: I do not care to worship a god which resembles the god that the Judeao-Christian-Islamic West envisions, tormenting souls for eternity with no hope of reform. Worshiping such a god, under threat of punishment, would compromise my basic human dignity..I would prefer enternal torment from such a god...thant to worship it for the paultry pleasures of such a vindictive god's paradise.

Bhagya: Om Namah Shivaya is a supporter of Hinduism. But his God Shiva is into dope. He ingests Bhanga and smokes Ganja, both of which are marijuana preparations

Tek: VICE - show me a god man on this earth that can say what god is etc

Rhonda: Om - a nice bowl of prunes would help lighten you up this morning.

Om: .If God is everywhere present, then he must be present in the heart of satan...but if satan has God in his heart, then satan cant be all bad... but if satan doesn't have God in his heart... then God is not omnipresent.

LedZep: prove to me that jesus was the messiah. you may use any evidence other than the bible, for it is an imperfect book

Cher: Were you here that night I fought a hundred ATHEISTS??

Om: If God is eternal and unchanging...then what does it mean when the Old Testament says that God becomes ANGRY, or REGRETS (for it is written that God REGRETTED making Saul king), or that God forgives... since REGRET, ANGER, FORGIVENESS... all imply CHANGE AND TEMPORALITY.

Om: If God is complete and perfect...then He had no need to create the universe... but that means He performed a senseless and purposeless act... which detracts from God's Wisdom... but... if God DID have a purpose, a motive for creation... then that means God LACKED something... and was therefore not always complete and perfect.

Cher: OH, let GOD have fun

Bhagya: Tells you, Hi Om I am from India. I am a devotee of Lord Shiva and a Tantrik. Lord Shiva is pleased with you. So he has sent me to you . Do you have any questions

Om: If anyone wants to read more of such thoughts... click here => http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

Tek: what spiritual exercises do u do...just curious

Tek: OM

Om: Why would I discuss such a thing with you... or anyone else..

Spirit: OM--u are refusing to discuss your spiritual exercises??

Bhagya: Om. Have you been to India

Om: If you want to know my thoughts... go read my website... all 200 pages...

Spirit: OM--i may help someone with there exercise....if I would love if everyone knew of my exercises

LedZep: The great Om has spoken!

Bhagya: Do you want to know anything about india Rhonda

James: Most of us want no prayers of any kind in school

Om: I agree.... separation of church and state

Catch22: What is it to atheists? What could they possibly have to lose by being exposed to any religion.

Om: Parents can sent children to religious schools... if they like... or catholic schools...

Catch22: I'm not just talking about Christian either

James: I find it to be stupid I hate religion and I don't want anymore exposure to it...no offence to your religion

Om: Schools can offer courses in comparative world religion.... or... actually.. just have viewing periods for tv nova type documentaries....

Om: But... prayers dont belong in public schools

Catch22: But, another thing, what fundamentalists don't want to realize, is that it doesn't matter if there is prayer in schools, most kids under the age of 14 don't even comprehend many of the most important aspects of religion anyway.

James: True ...well put it this way if they want to pray I want classes that teach evolution

Catch22: Like when you gave the pledge of allegance in kindergarten, did you have any idea what pledge or allegance meant

Om: I like evolution....

James: I guess not exactly

Catch22: I like evolution, I can't understand why Christians buy into creation ism anyway

Om: Evolution is so obvious... one would have to be kind of slow.. not to comprehend it

James: I think that they just are unwilling to research the other side

Catch22: But another interesting point: the bib bang theory, may of the top scientist are finding a new type of creationism, because they still can't explain under the Big Bang theory, what cause the Big Bang

Om: Any group who is obsessed with imposing their beliefs on everyone else has to be weak in faith to begin with...

Catch22: I'm not weak in faith. I sin sure, but who doesn't

James: I can't explain this because someone else has the book but there is a book called creation revisited and it explains the creation of everything

Catch22: I have fun in life, and get pissed when people reprimand me for it.

Om: Well... why would anyone want to impose their own beliefs on all mankind....

Catch22: I can see from their point of view...

Catch22: But I by no means impose my beliefs

Om: Christian unity is a myth anyway.... the very word Christian is empty and meaningless.. it doesn't denote any one group of beliefs

Catch22: Oh, yes it does...

Om: There are 1 billion roman catholics and 700 million non catholic christians...

Om: And many of the non Catholics say that Roman Catholics arn't Christians

James: I think that everyone should look at both sides of something in depth before forming an opinion

Catch22: The word Christian in literal meaning, means Christ-like

Catch22: The whole goal of Christianity is to try to be more christ like

Om: Most Protestants in Christian chat in yahoo.. when I ask them is the Pope a Christian.. answer a resounding NO....

Om: Its really sort of comical...

Om: Then I ask them if Bill Clinton is Christian.. and many folks say NO

Om: AND one fundamentalist argued up and down that BILLY GRAHAM isn't Christian... because Billy didn't conform to some particular fundie belief or practice

Catch22: They are Christian,and I don't doubt that they believe what they say.

Om: so... Christians are a mixed bag of nuts....

Catch22: But the elements of Christianity are so simple, yet they quibble over small aspects that aren't really relevant

Om: and for DECADES protestants and catholics killing each other in Ireland...

Catch22: It's important not to base an opinion on hypocrites

Om: and no one wants to admit the very obvious fact that GERMANY WAS A CHRISTIAN NATION.... Christians murdered 6 million Jews in the Holocaust... nor NAZIs... but CHRISTIANS...

Catch22: Christianity make perfect sense to me, and that's not just the spiritual aspect, it's a perfectly logical one.

Om: and Martin Luther... of the German Reformation.. was a vicious anti-semite in his writings.. and layed the foundation for the Holocaust....

James: Why do you find it so plausible?

Catch22: I could tell you, but I'm way too high to go into THAT now

Catch22: But I could E-mail you all an essay on it if you like

James: Go ahead I would find it interesting

Om: OK... Yossarian... I'm interested in getting your essay in email

James: lol

Catch22: Om?

Om: I like anything theological

Catch22: What's your e-mail? Pm it.

Om: Just send to my screen name Om_Namah_Shivaya@yahoo.com

Catch22: Well, guys the sun is coming up here soon , so I've got to go.

Deniro: Prophetic - How long you been meditating and what type do you do?

May: THAILAND HERE

SeriousSoul: WE ARE CHATTING FROM THE BELIEF AND PERSPECTIVE THAT jESUS IS TRUTH IS CREATOR AND IS GOD.

Stent I was just in BANGKOK a week ago

Jesus4ever: Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim. Because you have plundered many nations, the peoples who are left will plunder you.

Sinner_Saint: how about from a stand point of there is no God

Meek: OM- GOD IS OMNIPRESENT

Jesus4ever: Woe to him who builds his realm by unjust gain to set the nest on high, to escape the clutches of ruin!

Exousia: Satan has harden his heart he has chosen to walk out of the kingdom .. God is not in Satan

Om: Then God is not omnipresent?

Om: The past 2000 years shows that Christian and Islamic peoples are no more moral or ethical or loving or peaceful that Hindus/ Buddhist. In light of German Jewish Holocaust, Spanish Inquisition, conquests of North & So. American Indians, the rise of Communism, the African slave trade, witch burnings, and Islamic conquests... Christian and Islamic peoples are considerably less nice than Hindu and Buddhist peoples.

Meek: GOD CREATED PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM. WE WERE CREATED IN HIS OWN IMAGE,HOLY-OM

Jesus4ever: The stones of the walls will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

Xratir: Om, do you complain that God made you?

Exousia: You are correct.. but people who acted like that where less then Christian seeking there own ways of power and corruption

Xratir: Are you complaining the life that he gave you?

Meek: OM-IT IS A SHAME YOU SEE CHRISTIANS THAT WAY. IT IS OUR FAULT

Om: I do not care to worship a god which resembles the god that the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic West envisions, tormenting souls for eternity with no hope of reform. Worshiping such a god, under threat of punishment, would compromise my basic human dignity..I would prefer enternal torment from such a god...thant to worship it for the paultry pleasures of such a vindictive god's paradise.

Jesus4ever: Has not the Lord Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

GB: I see your point Om

RNA: Your cursing really doesn't bother anyone.....it just make you appear foolish

Xratir: Om, God created you ... thats why you are living.

Meek: IT IS ALL ABOUT FAITH. GOD DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE HIMSELF TO YOU OR ANYONE. HE IS GOD AND LORD OF ALL

Exousia: Thats it.. Human dignity is not holy.. nor can ever be... And Gods word is interpreted in the hearts of men.. we need no one else teach us..

Jesus4ever: For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Om: yes God created me... but God is not the twisted distorted monster which christianity preaches...

Xratir: He gave you this life....and he can take it away from you...

Xratir: Do you know when you will suddenly die?

Exousia: Yes.. God says I set before you two choices.. choose life..

Jesus4ever: Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wine skin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies.

Om: It is the West's failure to understand duality, which leads to the folly of trying to eliminate evil, and have only good, eliminate poverty and have only wealth, or convert all people to ONE TRUE FAITH, in one lifetime. It is a very evident historical fact that such unanimous agreement has never been reached in the past 2000 yrs, and will never be reached. This provides evidence for the necessity of rebirth, and gradual spiritual ripening of individual souls.

SeriousSoul: You know what OM you don't know your ass from a whole in the ground about Christianity and I would be very surprised if you believed anything except what someone else tells you to believe

Jesus4ever: You will be filled with shame instead of glory.

Om: you are describing the condition of most christians....

SeriousSoul:....

Jesus4ever: Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed!

SeriousSoul: You dont know how to think for yourself do you OM

Om: how many christians in this country actually study and investigate all religions and philosophies.. and come to an informed choice.... not many....

SeriousSoul: Most Christians are not the ones who said they would not worship God,,,,,,OM said that

Xratir: I understand other religions and like them.

GB: Why are your friends dead, badmojo

RNA: Just what I said.........Otherwise you wouldn't be here

Jesus4ever: The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you.

Om: The largest christian sect is the Roman Catholic with 1 billion members.. all other Christian sects total 700 million.. yet many of the non-Catholic Christians... say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian... and describe Roman Catholics as idolaters...

Jesus4ever: For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

Jesus4ever: Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it?

SeriousSoul: Listen OM if you want to worship and serve e created being then do so. you don't have to justify yourself to anyone but God.

Jesus4ever: Or an image that teaches lies?

Exousia: Om... all that head knowledge.. no heart knowledge.. We worship in Spirit and truth as reveled by the holy Spirit

Jesus4ever: For he who makes trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.

RNA: I think you are playing a game of Lets see how simple the Christians can be

Om: In the Garden of Gesthemene, Christ prayed Heavenly Father, all those whom Thou has given to me, may they be One, even as You and I are One........ that Unity has never come to pass.... even the Churches in the time of Paul... were divided... and arguing... which is why Paul wrote the various Epistles...

Yoko: Jesus never told us to focus on catholics or protestant, we should focus on Jesus and Jesus alone

Om: So Jesus prayer for Unity.. never came true... amongst the 1500 Christian sects and denominations...

Meek: OM-CATHOLICS WORSHIP THE VIRGIN MARY BUT DON'T WORSHIP JESUS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA AS SEEING MARY AS AN EXAMPLE OF PURITY BUT THEY ARE RELIGIOUS IN THEIR WAYS AND DON'T REALLY HAVE A ZEAL

Om: What more obvious historical fact and truth could there possibly be!!!

Exousia: Om.. you don't understand the meaning of one Body one church, one faith...

Yoko: Jesus focus: is to have personal relationship with Him

Jesus4ever: It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

Meek: RIGHT. NOTHING WILL BE PERFECT TIL' HIS RETURN

Jesus4ever: But the Lord is in his holy temple; let all the earth be silent before him.

Om: I understand the meaning of one body.. and unity.. perfectly.. thats how I know it doesn't exists.. most christians have their heads in the sand, in denial of the obvious truth... lack of unity...

Meek: AND EVEN NOW CHRISTIANS AREN;T UNITED.GOD IS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH US CAUSE WE ARE TO KNOW BETTER.

Jep: Om, you are very wrong.

RNA: If you are the only one that survived then I would image you will be a suspect....

SeriousSoul: God does not want one body one church he doesn't want one government one church. God likes individuality thats why he promotes the government of the extended family unit. a house divided will fall

Jep: Tell me Om, what is the truth then?

Om: How on earth could any reasonable rational person look at world history for 2000 years.. and look at my statements.. and say that I am wrong....

Exousia: I am telling you truth.. you don't understand it if you are placing denominations and different religions in a group..they having nothing to do with it.

Om: Forget about TRUTH... we are talking just plain COMMON SENSE...

Exousia: All religions that fall under the name Christianity are not all christian

Stompie: I LOVE THIS CHAT THERE IS MORE FIGHTING HERE THEN ANY WERE ELSE

SeriousSoul: There is no common sense if there is no truth. the power of knowledge is truth. idiot

Sparkz: Only yours is christian than?

GB: Are you living in an old man's rubble, are you listening to the Father of Lies? If you are then you're headed for trouble, if you listen too long you'll eventually DIE.

Om: Serious_Soul... since you just called someone an idiot... you must suffer the condemnation of Jesus who says Whoever calls anyone RACA (fool, idiot)... IS GUILTY OF HELL-FIRE

Jesus4ever: Everyone will die < and everyone will be resurrected

Om: You see.... christians are ignorant of the words of jesus.. and care nothing for what their own religion teaches....

Xratir: I do care about my religion

Sparkz: Exousia, you know who is and isn't going to heaven?

SeriousSoul: I guess so. even though he called someone a fool by saying a fool says in his heart there is no God/

Meek: OM IS RIGHT TODAY CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNITED. GOD IS VERY DISAPPOINTED. THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE , OR BE AFFECTIVE.-JEP

Exousia: Ok.. go ahead lump us all together that makes a lot of since to me...

Jep: Om, what are you ignorant of?

Om: The word fool is only said by Jesus ONCE in the entire new testament.. and I bet no one here can quickly tell me the context in which Jesus used the word fool....

GB: No, OM, I can't.

GB: I never read my Bible....

Jesus4ever: Om > was he talking about the Pharisees?

SeriousSoul: Meeka God does not want united Christians. He is too worried about the man who calls himself the almighty man who can interpret every word of scripture.

Meek: CAN WE STOP CALLING OUR FAITH A RELIGION . RELIGION IS THE LAW.JESUS CHRIST HAS DELIVERED US FROM THE LAW

RNA: Where did he say it OM

Xratir: What Christians should do, we all know...it is quite simple as well...

Vad: Oh.... thats too bad or was it a blessing

Sparkz: I just have a problem with people who have the only truth

Stompie: BLESSING, BUT I HAD TO STAY LATE

Yoko: Om, so you think all buddhist and Hindus are smart?

Om: Jesus was telling the parable of the wealthy man.. who wanted to sit back and enjoy his riches... but Jesus said God said to the wealthy man FOOL, this day your soul shall be required of you...(i.e. you shall die)....

Xratir: confess...

GB: I want to know what faith is

Jep: Meeka, Om is perhaps upset with certain military actions preceeding in a certain country or region.

GB: That is interesting, OM

Meek: A FOOL IS SOMEONE WITHOUT WISDOM

Exousia: It was a parable.. he was teaching..oh come on!!

Om: You dont even comprehend my point...do you...

GB: I thought someone without wisdom was ignoramus!

Alm: Anyone with half a brain in here?

Meek: AND THEY ARE A FOOL

Stompie: I WENT TO THE CASINO FOOL THAT I WAS

SeriousSoul: It is the truth when a person denies the existence of God they have to redefine half of existence. thats like calling an oak tree growing in your back yard a daisy. you living in a state of denial and it makes you a fool.

Om: I'm a blond hair blue eyed american born 50 yr old man.. in brooklyn... born in manhattan.... the 13th generation in this country.. so I doubt that im angry

Ronb: If I was a non christian, what I see in this room would frighten me off permanently! Farewell.

Exousia: Om.. I like you.. a little confused you are.. But I still like ya... good stuff..:o)

Jesus4ever: Cool Om

Jep: ALMATH, I DESIRE A SENSIBLE CONVERSATION, GO AHEAD.

Alm: OK. how if you've never been religious can you get religious??

Om: Thats interesting... I am making very reasonable statements.. and quoting verses where appropriate.. but since I DONT AGREE with your beliefs.. then.. I am confused... or foolish.. or there is something wrong with my ancestry... MY MY HOW OPEN MINDED

RNA: Its not about being religious Alma.....its about getting Christ in your life

Meek: THAT NAME DOESN'T GLORIFY HIM. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU DON'T LOVE HIM

Alm: But I dont believe, I want to but I don't

Mikfar: I LOVE JESUS TOO,

Grace:

RNA: Learn about Him........find others who love Him......and learn learn learn

Vad: Cuz... they forget that they are Christians... that there mission is to love, and be understanding

Meek: HEY JON!

Jep: BELIEVE IN GOD. HE EXISTS.

GB: Om, you are cool.

Vad: They would rather preach

Xratir: Do you study law, om?

Om: thanks G_B

Alm: I've just read John's Gospel, but then what?

GB: I've been told the truth is written in our hearts.

RNA: Whats keeping you from believing???

Jesus4ever: Cool Om

Wyatt: Om you have free will not to believe.

Om: Any moron can realize the common sense of my statements....

Jep: WE ARE NOT HERE BY OUR OWN ACCORD. WE DID NOT CREATE OURSELVES.

Vad: You get a given group together and this is what happens

GB:

Wolf: Well aunt I think it's the luck of the draw

Bismark: Who's still here from last time I was on - I see winston has left

Om: I believe in God alright.. but not the twisted evil concept of god preached by Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions

Stompie: YOU DO DO PEOPLE DO THIS IN CHURCH AS WELL

Charger: Your statements are ridiculous om

Jep: YOU CANNOT JUST SIT DOWN AND READ THE BIBLE AND INSTANT FAITH

Om: My statements are perfectly reasonable and well thought out

Xratir: Good for you, om.

Meek: YOU GUYS ARE TOO RELIGIOUS FOR ME!

Xratir: You are very smart.

Gilar: OM -- that's not the Jewish God

Gilar: We don't believe in eternal damnation

Om: Jesus himself says that very VERY few people will ever be saved.....

SeriousSoul: The truth is not written in Your Hearts . do you people have any idea what the separation between a Creator is and a Created being is. for fucks sake. That is like the tv or telephone saying oh the truth about our creator is written in our hearts.

Charger: Big words don't mean you know God

Om: its right in the Gospel of Luke

Jep: OM, TAKE IT EASY GUY. YOU FEAR WHAT YOU KNOW NOT.

Xratir: Do you think you will be one of them?

Wyatt: Om thats because they have the same view point as you.

Vad: Hiya Frenchie

Xratir: What is your point?

Stompie: ALWAYS IS HERE

Charger: The chosen have been chosen before time began-called predestination

SeriousSoul: Quite worrying about everyone else OM and just worry about your own ass

Om: The Hindu scriptures describe Gods true nature far more accurately than the Old and New Testaments....

Charger: Hindu is a satanic belief

Meek: IT DOESN'T SPECIFY ANY RELIGIONS BUT IT TALKS ABOUT Israel WORSHIPING OTHER GODS.

Stompie: YEA

Grace: I'm praising God Mik

Wyatt: Om have you read the entire Bible?

Om: What a hypocrite serious soul is... Christians are always sticking their nose in everyone elses business.. but when some one comes in here to ROCK THE BOAT.. then someone like serious soul says worry about yourself...

Xratir: What does Hinduism say about God?

SeriousSoul: The hindu says that good and evil come from the same source. This is not a concept that can be proved or is verifiable. in fact the opposite can be proved. but you little flower child go ahead and blow your bubbles. hope

Charger: He is the way , the truth and the life

Xratir: Tell me about hindu teachings

Om: I was raised with no religion by nominal protestants who never brought me to church once,.. at age 23 I was baptized Greek Orthodox Christian and entered a monastery for 2 years.. I read the entire old testament new testament and apocrypha... and I have a knowledge of ancient greek... and... I remained greek orthodox christian for 17 years.. before I realized the falsehood and hypocrisy of christianity

Charger: Don't bother Xratir, it is a false doctrine

Charger: Why waste your time

Grace: I'm fine Mik. Just a while ago I was in a big problem. Jesus showed me the light

Matt: SeriousSoul, I think good and evil both come from the same source.... man

SeriousSoul: Is there a Christian or someone with a fucking brain anywhere in this place.

Wyatt: Om did the crucifixion happen?

Xratir: Wow,....i dont know what to say...

Om: Do you doubt the crucifixion Wyatt?

SeriousSoul: I have argued 'til I am blue in the face.

Wyatt: No

Xratir: You must know a lot then...

Om: Then why ask such a stupid question

Wyatt: I was asking you, with your

Charger: If you doubt in the resurrection check the tomb

Wyatt: Biblical knowledge you should understand the prophecies written in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53.

Xratir: What stupid question?

Om: If you believe in the crucifixion... then what possible difference could it make to you what I or anyone else believes or thinks

Om: Someone asked me if I think the crucifixion really took place

Jep: OM'S TONGUE IS VERY SHARP. HE ONLY LIKES TO HEAR AND SPEAK HIS OPINIONS.

Xratir: It makes difference to you.

Wyatt: Om you said it was a bunch of baloney basically?

Matt: That is very un Christianly of you, serious

Om: So I asked that person.. if they doubt the crucifixion.. and they said NO...

Xratir: The way you live your life...

Om: Oh.... I dont think I ever used the word baloney.. and I dont think I ever said a word about the crucifixion...

Matt: Wonders if Jesus ever rubbed the idea of condemnation in someone's face like it was a joke

Wyatt: Well thanks for avoiding the question?

Mikko Om...there are 3-4 secular..historical works dating form the period that sight the crucifiction

Om: Tell wyatt.. he's the one who doubts the crucifixion and brought up the topic.. I never said boo about the crucifixion

Wyatt: I don't doubt the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

TK: If your interested, Josh McDowell has a book out on the crucifixion

TK: It's called The Resurrection Factor

Om: Look... to me it doesn't make any difference whether the events of the bible did or didn't take place..... I am going to repeat one of the statements I made earlier which shows the falsehood of the christian religion... and what it demonstrates is that Paul was wrong in Romans when he said that becoming Christian makes one right with God and improves their moral, ethical behavior...

Pastor: Yes I am assistant pastor in a small church

SeriousSoul: There you go again OM thinking that created beings are God.

Wyatt: Om why is Paul incorrect?

Om: It doesn't matter whether or not the crucifixion took place.. what matters is that.. historically.. christians ARE ACTUALLY WORSE than the peoples who practice many non christian religions...

Xratir: He also said not all christians will go to heaven

SqChick: That is just because there are more christians in the world om

Wyatt: Om it seems to me that you must thing you are personally righteous. Give me a break.He who says they have no sin is a liar.

Matt: We are capable of some very uncool things when we have the masses behind us.... a religious mob mentality is kind of a scary thing to think about.... but it has happened

Om: If you look at the german holocaust.. african slavery.. the spanish Inquisition... the murder and robbery of north and south american indians.. witch burnings... etc... and cant see that christianity is a failure.. than... nothing I can say will open your eyes

TK: ALL christians WILL go to heaven, but not all who SAY they're christian eagle If not all christians will not go to heaven then where will they go?

Wyatt: Om I don't believe those people were Christians. Maybe some were.

Xratir: Some christians have been very bad.

Om: I'm not saying that the rest of humanity is ANY BETTER.. im just saying that christianity never improved the moral, ethical, loving qualities of the nations who have embraced it for 2000 years....

Pastor: What faith are you

Xratir: We need to confess our sins....

Jep: OM, YOU ARE SO VERY VERY WRONG.

Xratir: For we sin every day

Om: Well. ... this is the typical false argument of christians.... OH THOSE PEOPLE WEREN'T REALLY CHRISTIANS....... Oh the Pope of Rome isn't really a Christian....

Om: No... I think im very right and very reasonable in my arguments...

Jep: CHRISTIANS ARE GOOD, MORAL, LOVING PEOPLE.

Wyatt: Om I think the Bible teaches us how we need to be and how bad we are and that we need a Saviour Jesus Christ.

Om: Then why did they gleefully murder 6 million jews in germany

Xratir: Om, not all christians are true christians.

TK: Being christian is NOT being religious temerity

NY: Hey tk, just dropped in to say hi

Xratir: And not all of them live like christians

Om: Why are they slaughtering homosexuals in this country.. in the name of their religion and god

Jep: HITLER WAS NO CHRISTIAN. REMEMBER THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WENT TO WAR AGAINST HIM.

TK: Being Christian is having a real relationship with Christ!

Wyatt: Om the Scripture says that many will kill saying that is for God; but they don't know me.

Pastor: Ever one that calls on the name jesus in not save

Om: The German nation was a VChristian nation.. and had bitter anti-semitic hatred dating back to the writings of Martin Luther in the Protestant Reformation... and the German people voted Hitler into office.. and supported Hitler's policies....

Xratir: With the name of Christ and mission , Catholics have committed many sins...

SqChick: People will believe anything Om

SqChick: Peer pressure is an amazing concept

Xratir: That is obviously wrong....

Wyatt: Om does the Bible teach to hate Jews? Eagle wrong For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.

SqChick: All it takes is one person to start it...and have the right charisma

Sweet: Xcrator! true

Pastor: Because it what in your heart god knows some people try to use god for a front

Om: It doesn't matter what the Bible teaches... a tree is known by its fruits... to quote your own Jesus words... so.. we now have 2000 years of history... to look at the fruits of the christian peoples and nations.... and I see that the claims of Christianity are A FAILURE...pure and simple..

Xratir: Catholic was so corrupted once, that the Protestant Reformation was born....

SqChick: Hitler promised his country things they wanted to hear

Jep: TRUE

Om: The second reason I cite for the utter failure of Christianity... is that Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gesthemene for UNITY never came to pass

SqChick: The country was in a terrible spot at that time....his timing was perfect

Eagle: sounds like you say things they want to here

Xratir: whats important is not what they did, but what you do.

Om: There is no unity of faith... or inter-communion between 1 billion roman catholics and 700 million non-catholic christians...

SeriousSoul: We already discussed that OM

Sweet: The catholics make the sign of the cross on their body, from their head to below to the left and right

SeriousSoul: Jesus does not want that kind of unity among Christians.

Sweet: They have jesus on the cross

Om: So.. how many reasons do you want.. for the failure.. falsehood of christianity...

Xratir: They can be bad christians, but how about you?

Xratir: Are we any better than them?

Buck: Serious speaks for God again

SeriousSoul: Because there is always some jerk who decided he knows it all.

Om: and the third reason is the obvious problem of a religion which threatens eternal torture for those who do not worship

SqChick: I suppose you could find faults in anything om....if you just look hard enough

SqChick: Do I have a what?

SeriousSoul: The same reason he is against one world government

Matt: doesn't fail to notice the irony in serious's statement

Xratir: Jesus is speaking to each one of us....you and me.

Sweet: Smartass...they worship underneath statues and things

Om: So there are three.. very well thought out.. very reasonable... reasons for the failure of Christianity.. and also for its obviously sick and twisted perception of what Gods nature is...

SeriousSoul: Well ya know when you have stated something at least three times to the same person it gets pretty ridiculous if they can't grasp the picture

SqChick: Is somewhat lost now

Om: And here is a fourth argument... showing the inconsistency of so called divinely reveals new testament scriptures....

Pastor: Get to know jesus

Xratir: If christianity have a bad reputation, the least we can do is doing better ourselves.

SeriousSoul: So what is your sick and twisted perspective of Gods nature.

SeriousSoul: OM

Om: So now.. there are 4 well thought out reasons... and arguments... against christianity...

SqChick: Om....would that really be realistic? I mean...the truth of the matter is this....human beings cannot always handle the whole truth right away...often times we need to hear it in segments....fed to us in small pieces

Pastor: give a baby the milk of the word

Om: Well... if someone wants to visit my website.. they can read 200 pages at their leisure... as fast or slow as they want

Xratir: If you dont believe in jesus... nobody forces you to believe .

SqChick: Somehow I think it went way over your head om

Om: but I'm sure not many people are really interested in such reading

SeriousSoul: I There is only one well thought out reason as to whether Christianity is true or not and that is . Truth doesn't exist.

Matt: I've been there, Om

SqChick: Think of it this way....it would be like giving the novel war and peace to a kindergartner and expecting them to understand

Om: So... its there.. if anyone wants to read.. and if they dont.. fine.. they dont have to...

Om: I'm just pointing out that my website is available...

Heathen: Sweetpea, I'd suggest you educate yourself to the catholic doctrine before you condemn

Grace: JESUS LOVES CATHOLIC, BAPTISTS, ;PRESBYTERIANS, EVERYBODY

Xratir: If he was crucified?

SeriousSoul: Do you really think anyone wants to visits the web site of someone who has done nothing but talk nonsense for the last hour.

Om: Well.. I'm sure you would ALL AGREE that I am not very bright... and yet somehow I was able to learn HTML and put together the website.. and type in the 200 pages of material... so it cant be that hard to read... or understand...

SqChick: Om...i think you are well educated....

Matt: It's not nonsense.... I think Om has raised some good questions..... you don't have to agree with them to recognize they are thought out

Om: Thanks for the compliment

SqChick: No problem Om

Om: Thanks Matt...

ShivaRama: Good morning Xtians

Matt: Tips his hat to Om

Buck: Om..what's the site address?

Om: You see.. look at it from other peoples .. other nations and races point of view...

Om: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

ShivaRama: Aum

SqChick: You'll forgive me Om if I do not go to your website though

ShivaRama: Hey Om..... funny meeting you here

Xratir: I'm not white

SeriousSoul: I have read encyclopedias of garbage. its a waste of time . Thanks anyway.

Om: I happen to be a 50 yr old caucasian .. blonde hair.. blue eyes .. american... and I happen to believe in Hindu scriptures.. and worship in a Guyanese Hindu temple in brooklyn.. where I am the only caucasian... and they are very nice to me

SqChick: I am not white either...my skin is peach colored

Xratir: Good for you , om.

Om: But.. you should talk to the young people I meet from india.... and see how they feel...

SqChick: Feel about what om

Xratir: How do they feel?

Buck: Unusual om, I'll give you that

ShivaRama: Om.. do you know any Saddhus?

ShivaRama: or saints

SeriousSoul: I am very impressed OM. Am I suppose to be.

Om: See how they feel.. being oppressed by white british for hundreds of years.. and made to feel like DIRT by Christian missionaries who IN MANY WAYS are despicable people... in their own personal lives and attitudes...

Buck: Your web site I mean

Om: My web site address is click here => http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

ShivaRama: Om.... do you believe in the caste system?

SeriousSoul: Om you remind me of a baptist who cant argue principle and just wants to sit around and pick apart scripture

SqChick: It has nothing to do with any one particular religion people

ShivaRama: Om... what say you if ISKCON

SqChick: All religions have their bad representatives....

ShivaRama: Om...... yo..... do you know of ISKCon?

Om: look.... I know that the next christian sneaky maneuver is to attack the caste system .. or cow worship... or suti.. or some other thing... but... my only point is... you folks have no right to condemn other religions.. YOU DONT HAVE A CORNER ON THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH MARKET.... you are not very good moral or ethical examples yourselves in your own lives...

Xratir: I'm a christian but I see many fake christians

Pastor: There is one god and one lord and one faith

SqChick: We could discuss what the islamic nations do to some of the people living those countries

SeriousSoul: If you want to worship cows than do so

Xratir: Listen to Om.

Xratir: He is telling the story of bad christians

SqChick: Or maybe some eastern religions

eddie: With the old writings

Om: and... Muslims are no better than Christians.. they are just as aggressive.. and the history of Islam has.. in many ways been a history of the rape and pillage of the world... so Muslims are as bad as Christians...

Jon: Doesn't believe in fake christians

Light: Om no one is forcing you to be here YOu must be searching for something

Jon: Bad christians yes

SqChick: Om...it has nothing to do with any one particular religion

Om: Hey ... you worship the LAMB OF GOD... take a look in the mirror

eddie: The oldest writings's humans have are about TAXES

ShivaRama: Which Vedic account is your favorite

eddie: Can you believe it?

SqChick: Lol very true Eddie

Jon: Not necessarily bad but weak

ShivaRama: I like the Mahabharata

Xratir: How about Hindus? are they all good?

Light: I believe God leads his children where he wants them to be

Om: Your religion is basically a religion of CANNIBALISM.. where you symbolically SLAUGHTER GOD every day and chomp his flesh and slurp his blood.. that is a PERFECTLY ACCURATE CHARACTERIZATION of the Christian EUCHARIST

SeriousSoul: The Lamb of God is Christ, Second person in the God Head. the mediator between the Creator and the Created.

Grace: Christians have their own failures. They also commit mistakes. But they repent or should repent immediately

SqChick: And what religion is my religion Om?

eddie: I hope the end doesn't come while you are all arguing

Xratir: I guess not

Om: But.. you dont see yourselves as disgusting.... you see yourselves as holy...

SqChick: So far I do not believe I have said what faith I follow

Xratir: Who says I m holy?

Xratir: I m a sinner.

ShivaRama: Om.. they aren't disgusting.... and they obviously don;t see themselves like this

Om: and... the fact of the matter is.. you worship a dead naked man on a stick.. but then.. you dont look at yourselves objectively.. but you love to cast criticisms at the religious beliefs of others...

Grace: Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A personal experience with our savior

Jon: I've been there

Shoes: Believe me I'm not a saint I ask forgiveness

ShivaRama: On that point you are correct OM

SqChick: Om...and what do you worship or believe in?

Light: I am certainly not pious or holy, I just believe in the birth and resurrection of Christ. I sin and I ask forgiveness of that sin. God made us he made the animals and he made the plants

Grace: I am a sinner too x, but I believe that Jesus died to wash away my sins

Om: well.. hindus and buddhists dont see their religious beliefs or practices as disgusting OR AS WORSHIP OF THE DEVIL.. for that matter.. since neither HINDUISM NOR BUDDHISM.. mentions a devil figure or a permanent hell.

SeriousSoul: That man who died on the Cross was a cause that resulted in a new creation.

SqChick: Hey om....what is your faith?

Grace: Jesus loves you Om

SqChick: How do you picture god?

Xratir: Light is being the light for me!

Om: Look... it really doesn't matter who I am or what I am or what I worship.. the BIG POINT IS.. christians and muslims have no right to treat the rest of the world the way they do ... NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER....

Light: Thanks

Xratir: Everyone loves you Om.

SqChick: It does matter Om

ShivaRama: Om is a Hindu a Caucasian blond and blue eyed

Shoes: Amen om

SeriousSoul: I don't listen to people who try to deny the existence of evil. they live with their heads in the ground.

Grace: The message of Christ is love.

SqChick: It matters to me...since you are singling out religions

Teana: You can win more friends with your ears than with your mouth

ShivaRama: Om...... even if they do love you Jesus is DEAD

Om: The only reason anyone here wants to ask me who I PERSONALLY AM or what I believe or what I worship... is so they can start with the AD HOMINEM attacks against me personally....

Grace: Jesus is alive and loves you Shiva

Matt: SeriousSoul, on the contrary, I think Om is trying to make people aware of evil.

Xratir: I wont attack you bro

SqChick: Oh yeah...one of those hindu believers...isn't their teaching something along the lines of living peacefully with others...casting off all arrogance and so forth

ShivaRama: LOL... I think you just made him roll in his grave with that comment

SeriousSoul: You came here of your own free will.

Shoes: No attacks from me om

Xratir: I m just open minded and curious about your religion.

SqChick: Reaching some sort of state of nirvana...does insulting christians help you reach it faster?

ShivaRama: Pray for me if you want... I AM rubber and you are glue....LOL

Om: you will notice.. that .. I do not address ANYONE IN THIS ROOM ... (with one or two exceptions) PERSONALLY.. I dont have to .. there is no need.. my statements.. stand... and have their powerful effect.. apart from the individual natures or personalities of the people in the audience...

Light: How old are you Shiva

Om: 50

Grace: Jesus is alive Shiva and loves you very much and patiently waits for you to trust Him

Xratir: I wont attack your religion the way you attack us.

SeriousSoul: If you can here to teach us something then you just got it dumped in your lap. If you came here to learn something then I suggest u listen for a change

Om: born in 1949

SqChick: Insulting whole groups of people sounds like an interesting aspect of whatever religion

Teana: Hmmmm some people have an ego problem I think

ShivaRama: Om....... are you associated with ISKCon

Grace: The message of Jesus is love. the Gospel is summed in love

ShivaRama: Are you a Krisna devotee?

ShivaRama: Most people have an ego problem.. it is called the Human condition

SqChick: So true shiva

Grace: I love you Shiva

Om: I am not insulting anyone personally.. I am expressing well thought-out.. perfectly reasonable viewpoints... and if Christians and Muslims can criticize hindus and buddhists for idol worship.. well.. I have every much the same right to describe eucharist as symbolic cannibalism.

Teana: Life is God's gift to you. the way you live your life is your gift to God

Om: With friends like Christians.. one doesn't need enemies

Light: Oh please

Grace: I do not criticize you Om, I love you

SqChick: But how is that helping you in your faith om?

ShivaRama: Om... that is where you made your mistake,,, these folk operate on faith.. not fact or reason or rationale, just faith.

SqChick: Forget those people who attack your religion....they are nothing.

Shoes: WE ALL PREACH LOVE BUT NOT ALL CHRISTIANS GET ALONG.

ShivaRama: That is it

SeriousSoul: The message of Jesus is TRUTH. you can not go near god if you are living in denial and don't want to hear the TRUTH.

Rain: a true Christian will love his enemy..only the false ones will hate them

Light: Faith is all you need.

Om: no... I have nothing to do with ISKCON.. although I understand their beliefs and respect them... I dont share their beliefs

SqChick: how does attacking the christian or moslem beliefs help you worship

ShivaRama: LOL... me wither Om

Grace: The fact is Jesus saved me from my sins. He changed my life

ShivaRama: ISKCon is Kinda creepy for me

Teana: Have confidence in god's mercy, for when you think He is a long way form you, He is often quite near

Light: Just because you have different ideas and discuss them, should not make anyone enemies

Teana: Gets along just fine thanks

ShivaRama: Om... are you a vegetarian?

ShivaRama: Are you celibate?

Om: yes... I'm vegetarian

SeriousSoul: We pray for our enemies. we do not curse them. but we do not jump in bed with them.

Om: No I'm not celibate.

Heathen: Serious: of course, now we need a definition of truth that fits every human on earth.

Om: I'm married

ShivaRama: LOL.... interesting

Light: I have not heard any thing being attacked but the Christians who are on Christian Chat

ShivaRama: Om..... does your sect use Charras or Bhang or Ganja

Shoes: If adults don't get along with each other how will children learn to?

Om: Whats so interesting?.. I'm just like millions of other human beings.. but I happen to believe in the Gita and Ramayan... and I like to worship in that fashion and sing Bhajans....

Teana: Can someone please tell me why non Christians or non believers in Christ would come into a room that is made for Christian chat?

ShivaRama: I have read of certain Saddhus that use Charras to commune with Shiva

Om: look... in America On Line.. my screen name is Sitaram...

SqChick: Christians are interesting to argue with

Om: My theology is most closely aligned with Tulsidas... I suppose...

Teana: You know it is better to be silent and be considered a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

ShivaRama: Interesting because I AM so used to ISKCon... man you have a chip on your shoulder Huh?

Om: If some christian churches in Arkansas dance with rattlesnakes.. does that mean that ALL CHRISTIANS DANCE WITH RATTLESNAKES???

ShivaRama: Calm down OM

Om: obviously not

Teana: no

Julie: Hope not!

ShivaRama: No... but most Xtians are snakes

ShivaRama: LOL

SeriousSoul: Thats because Christians are logical and not morons

Light: Illogical what is logical when it pertains to the Bible, If you don't read it and believe it, that's up to you

SqChick: Your last statement just totally contradicted everything you just argued

Julie: Shiva, that was uncalled for.

ShivaRama: I know.... but I can't resist

SqChick: lol....here we go

Om: I'm not upset.. I chat like this 7 days a week... sometimes for 4 or 5 hours at a stretch

ShivaRama: I can learn to resist anything but temptation

Julie: Shiva, tempted eh?

Grace: Jesus loves you Shiva, Om. He longs for you to trust Him.

Om: I am completely used to these kinds of statements....

SeriousSoul: Why don't u tell me what logic is following

ShivaRama: Ahhhh it must be me who is Moody... Sorry OM

Light: Then aren't you bored

Om: I was a Greek Orthodox christian for 17 years... starting at the age of 23.... but.. ultimately I rejected it...

Pastor: How can you learn to resist temptation

Xratir: Om, why are you keep criticizing us when we got your message?

SqChick: Greek Orthodox...huh?

ShivaRama: What made you reject that sect and eventually Christianity.

Om: but.. before I rejected it.. I deeply immersed myself in patristic theology of Nicene and post-Nicene fathers.. and read entire Old Testament, New Testament and Apocrypha

SeriousSoul: Unfortunately OM you rejected it.

ShivaRama: God on a stick..... Mmmmmmmmmmm soo good

Grace: The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom then shall I fear? (Psalm 27)

Xratir: I understand what you are saying .... you are a legend.

Pastor: God has to give you power to over come temptation

Om: If anyone really wants to know about me.. or my experiences or why I did this or that or the other thing.. they can read my website...

Om: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

ShivaRama: Kool.... so you rejected systems and doctrines..... what made you give up Jesus

Xratir: Incredibly smart .

Grace: Even if you give up Jesus He remains faithful and does not give up on you. He patiently waits for you to accept Him.

SeriousSoul: You must have been like the Israelites in the wilderness looking for some law that would tell them how to wipe their behind. Because Greek thoughts are very much faith oriented and believe that law interferes with the relationship between God and man.

Xratir: I haven't read bible like you....and I respect you, Om.

Om: Since its all in the website.. and its too much to type here... im not going to answer some of those things here.. just go read the web site.. if you REALLY WANT TO KNOW.. and if you dont really want to know.. then dont ask me to waste my time typing it...

Light: WHAT MAKES CHRISTIANS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER RELIGIONS.............................FAITH1

Julie: When God moves a man on like Moses, nothing of God is buried. Leaders move on and new leaders fill the vacancy.

Shoes: OM you have me thinking

SqChick: Is getting too tired to think straight

ShivaRama: OM.... I understand that you are like this 7 days a week for about 4 to 5 hours at a time... but you don't foster the desire to converse more with you

MrFrench: Do I smell a heathen in the house?

Xratir: but please understand knowledge is nothing without love.

ShivaRama: not that you need to

Om: Look.. if you really want to know what I believe.. I believe that God (the REAL ONE TRUE GOD)..who hears ALL OUR PRAYERS.. is so merciful that HE is happy to reside in any religion.. and HE/SHE/IT is so powerful that GOD CAN ASSUME ANY AND EVERY FORM.. and at the same time be formless....

ShivaRama: I will check out your web site BECAUSE I AM curious.. (or I wouldn't have asked...duh)

MrFrench: Amen Om

SqChick: Not so sure about that om

SqChick: I mean that I dont think I agree with that...but to each his own

SeriousSoul: I think I will become a ... angel of light I could get a lot of followers from all the idiots out there. It doesn't surprise me that cults are prosperous. all you have to do is spend and hour in a chat room. people follow what they want to hear not seeking truth.

SqChick: Sounds like a weak god to me

ShivaRama: Anyway... I'll be back later.....

ShivaRama: See ya Xtians

Light: Bye Shiva

Xratir: I thought you read through bible and should know that...

SqChick: I have no idea what the real one true god is like....or even if there is only one true god

Om: So... I dont think there is anything wrong with islam or Christianity or Sufi or Zoroastrian or Judaism..... MY POINT SIMPLY IS.. stop saying you have a corner on THE ONE TRUE FAITH.. stop accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you.. even the poor Roman Catholics.. OF WORSHIPING SATAN.. and stop threatening the rest of humanity.. WITH ETERNAL TORTURE.. if that's what you must believe.. FINE.. but keep it to yourselves...

SeriousSoul: Don't listen to OM

SqChick: But to think whatever god is is the kind the conforms to whatever humans make it....well, I wouldn't want to serve a god like that

MrFrench: Om has it nailed

MrFrench: Amen Om

MrFrench: You go brother

MrFrench: Tell them how it is

Om: Check out my website.. if you like to read more => http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

Light: Go away om You've made your point You aren't any happier by slashing Christians so why are you here.

SqChick: I am just beginning to understand god and all that....

Xratir: Om, you are right and I respect your opinion. God bless you.

SeriousSoul: The Bible tells us that the invisible qualities of God can be seen and understood from what has been made.

SqChick: Still think I am a fundie wacks mr. french

MrFrench: Squad there is not real understanding of God

Om: DO CHRISTIANS SAY THAT SAME THING... when they jump into Jewish chat.. and shout HEIL HITLER.. and preach the Gospel to all the poor jews who ALREADY KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.. and are trying to mind their own business??????

SeriousSoul: You can know that God exists,

MrFrench: Yep

SqChick: I know that Mr. French....that is why I say I am only beginning to understand

Julie: Om, it's not we, the warnings are from the Scriptures. If you don't read the Scriptures then you wouldn't be aware, so that's why we pass the information on. We have to. I don't want you looking back at me, saying, Why didn't you tell me?

SqChick: I do believe that at some point in time we will understand more...maybe all

SeriousSoul: You can seen God's eternal power, Gods divine nature and the God head in what has been made.

Om: Christians are CONSTANTLY RUTHLESSLY shoving their opinions down the throats of everyone else.. but.. THEY DONT LIKE A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE...

MrFrench: Squad, take a good hard look around you at some of the people in this room

MrFrench: Look at Julie, at soul

Xratir: Tell me who did this to you, Om

SqChick: What about them

MrFrench: They so much want God to be serious and heavy browed

Julie: Why couldn't Moses (after 40 years leading the Jews) go into the promised land?

SqChick: What is your point mr. french?

Xratir: Who was the bastard that tried to shove things into your throat?

Om: LOOK in a mirror

Xratir: All of you so called Christians.. look into the mirror of history.. and see what you REALLY are and what you have done to the world....

MrFrench: Someone to be vengeful for the ridicule they have endured

Xratir: I m talking about YOU.

Julie: Numbers 8:20 God said take the rod, speak to the rock, and water will come out.

MrFrench: The point is, God is not a Bible

SqChick: I dont think that is why anyone seeks out a religion or faith mr. French

Xratir: WHO did this to YOU?

SqChick: Everyone needs something to believe in....

Julie: But Moses was very impatient. Moses said in effect, listen now you rebels.

TK: The word Christian means Christ-like, if you're not Christ-like, you're not christian

MrFrench: God is not held in check by a book written by man that is an interpretation of him

SqChick: It is part of the human spirit....needing something to believe in

Om: If you are curious to see someone shoving doctrines down peoples throats.. just spend ONE HOUR in a Jewish chat room.... or in America on Line in a Hindu chat... just spend one hour.. and watch...

Light: Teana she sounds very vengeful. pray for her it may help

Xratir: Was it the monks where you spent your years?

Julie: So Moses took the glory from heaven. He said we - we never bring blessing, God does.

Om: You know its true.. you know thats what Christians do...

Xratir: Was it the catholic teachings you had to go through?

MrFrench: God has proven over time that he is willing and allowed to change his mind

SeriousSoul: The mere fact that you are seeking truth shows that you are not - excuse my language a worm.

MrFrench: The old testament vs the new

Julie: Moses took the glory upon himself. Not because he lost his temper, but he took the glory.

Julie: Who would be qualified to take Moses place?

Om: Xcrator... all I have to do is spend time each day in Christian chat.. or the yahoo religion room... never mind Christian chat.... to see the tyranny and oppression which Christians commit...

SqChick: That is simply human nature Om

MrFrench: So these tea totalling idiots who think they bring down the wrath of God's judgement are just that, idiots

Vessel: Wonders if it's that bad, why would someone spend so much time here?

MrFrench: God is love, God is good

Om: so... my being here.. is simply my human nature... right... so dont tell me to leave or shut up...

MrFrench: Simple as that

SqChick: Did I tell you to leave or shut up?

Om: No one is twisting your arms to read my postings....

Xratir: Someone who lived in hell cause of their strict Catholic parents for 20 years...

SqChick: ?!?!?!?!?

Julie: Number 14:27 (they grumbled against God) Only two men Caleb and Joshua were qualified to take Moses place.

Julie: Numbers 11:28 (why God chose Joshua?) He was an attendant of Moses from his youth.

Xratir: He hated christians! you know why? because they try to shove their opinion !

SqChick: Can anyone in this room really alter another's opinions?

Jon: Has everyone done their morning devotion?

Om: Jon... are you a spiritual voyeur.. or are you a pharisee who toots his trumpet on the street corner.. before he prays???

Julie: A man was preparing for ministry years ago moved into the home of an older minister, learning how to lead a congregation, over an extended amount of time.

Om: Or are you just plain judgmental.. like most christians and muslims

Xratir: But it cant be a reason to hate all christians.

SqChick: Om...when are you gonna get it....that is all human nature

Julie: Joshua was trained for the task, even though he didn't know it.

SqChick: It is not a religious thing

SqChick: As a matter of fact, almost all religions teach people to cast those sort of things off....

Om: Squad.. you are right.. it is human nature.. but.. I am saying things.. that dont get said often enough.. and there are Buddhist and Hindu and Sikh and Jain people who are grateful for my website and the things that I say....

SqChick: But obviously nobody is perfect or we wouldn't have these problems

SqChick: Wishes people could be less hostile and judgmental and so on....that would be real nice

Julie: Principle: When a man of God dies, nothing of God dies or suffers. See God through work through gifted individuals who take their place.

Om: and.. on any given day... I only encounter two or three people who really agree with my viewpoints.. or want to read further.. but thats all I expect and thats all that I want.... those 2 or three....

SqChick: Probably good for the world....but what is the reality of world peace anyway

Light: Has it settled down in here yet

Heathen: Teana, then can you understand this? I don't want to return to being Christian.

SeriousSoul: Jam Squad is interested in the Truth most of the rest are jerks

Om: world peace STARTS.. when christians and muslims stop threatening each other with ETERNAL TORTURE.. for not confessing THE ONE TRUE FAITH....

SqChick: Stop blaming it on one or two religions Om

Heathen: Teana, no, we are in a room created for the discussion of Christianity

SqChick: It is not the fault of the faith....it is the people

Jama: If you want the rose then you must accept the thorns

Julie: God told Moses to go up to the mountain and look across and see the land.

SqChick: If people would start working towards peace rather than hostility....than world peace would be more realistic

SqChick: But it'll never happen, not in my lifetime anyway

Julie: After Moses saw the land, shortly after he died.

Heathen: Teana, are you under the disillusionment that everybody who discusses Christianity wants to be Christian?

Om: I agree squad.. and I dont talk to FAITH.. I talk to people....

Xratir: Tell us your website one more time, om

Om: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/index.html

Jama: Can you please stop putting an X in Christianity

SqChick: Om...when you say if only the Christians and Moslems....you are being just as bad as those you are criticizing

SqChick: Thus helping no one

Heathen: Teana, to ask if you thought everyone who discussed Christianity wants to be Christian is an insult?

Om: No... sorry... I disagree Squad.. I have not threatened ANYONE in here with eternal torture or punishment for not agreeing with me... and I CANT THREATEN THAT because my religion does not believe in a satan or a permanent hell....

Om: So.. I can agree that I am being as bad as Christians and Muslims

SqChick: Something I learned thus far in life, my short 21 years on the planet....you gotta stop blaming others for problems and figure out what you can do yourself

SqChick: People learn by example more than by having an argument or insulting someone or whatever else

Julie: #1. The man must be God's choice. Moses wanted God to appoint his successor. zort4u I want to ask to the Bible readers where should a person start to read the Bible for the first time

SqChick: I am not looking for anything...so far I have argued for christianity in a lot of cases

Light: I suggest 2 Corinthians or Ephesians or Galatians

Jama: I read Matthew first

SqChick: Thinking of maybe majoring in english and philosophy or theology or something like that

Jama: But before someone told me to start reading John zort4u some people have told me Genesis

Primus: NO Jam start at the beginning of Genesis

Heathen: Squad, philosophy is a toughy from what I've heard

Light: Start whevever. The only thing that is important is to start

Jama: But you can start wherever you want to

Julie: When one has faith in Christ there is constant inward changing which ultimately results in outward change.

SqChick: I have been in an ethics class already....thought it was okay....but have lots of trouble forming definite opinion on political subjects and so forth

SeriousSoul: Fortunately we have the Bible to regulate our feeling.

Julie: 2. Moses wanted his replacement to work with people, a shepherd who ministers and understands people.

Jama: I like to read Psalms and Proverbs in the Old Testament

Jama: Right now I am reading Daniel, Old Testament

Labrat: Soul, shouldn't we regulate our own feeling? Isn't that what free-will is about? the power of choice?

SqChick: Curtools, it doesn't take ten lines for us to read what you want us to read

Heathen: Squad, Anthropology classes have a tendency to be kind of middle of the road, non-threatening......so give a broader overview.

SeriousSoul: It is important to understand that Gods word is alive. God says let there be light and there was light. Gods word is powerful

SqChick: Sounds like me for sure

Julie: The ministry is oriented to the heart of people.

Paradigm: So be a good Christian and stop being offensive

Labrat: Soul, shouldn't we regulate our own feeling? Isn't that what free-will is about? The power of choice?

Jama: For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Prophet617 I am quickly believing that America was not blessed by God, just tolerated.

Labrat: America is no better than sodom

Primus: Really Prophet outside his own country is not blessed by God ?

Jama: It says in the Bible, they cry peace peace, but no peace will come

Xratir: Om, so, how many gods are there?

Xratir: hi, Om

Om: Actually... there is an interesting Upanisad which answers that question.. How Many Gods.. and it actually answers in a rather amusing fashion...

Labrat: Julie, I'm not singling out america, it's just that america is the best example of a world-wide illness

Om: Hmm.. let me grab my book... I've been meaning to add it as a page at my website...

Light: Sometimes it's better to ignore than to be driven to the point of losing control after all we are human no matter what our religion

Om: I will preface my answer by pointing out that the THIRD WORD in the Hebrew of Genesis is ELOHIM.. which is PLURAL for GODS.....

Oct: I AM THE VINE AND YOU ARE THE BRANCHES, APART FROM ME, YOU CAN DO NOTHING

Julie: However, the practices which God considered exceedingly wicked, is running rampant due to the deceiver of deceiver's lies. Everywhere one looks, sees on TV, people are promoting homosexuality and wanting us to swallow and accept it, and by putting on a nice smile get one to think that it is ok, and it is a terrible sin.

Om: and I will also preface my answer by saying that I find it laughable when Christians criticize Hindus for polytheism.. and they have their precious TRINITY of Father Son and Spirit... which is EXACTLY LIKE THE HINDU Trinity of Brahman,Vishnu,Shiva.....

Om: Then.. they will give you some mumbo-jumbo about how the THREE is REALLY ONE...

Oct: ON THE NIGHT HE WAS BETRAYED, JESUS TOOK BREAD,GAVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES AND SAID, THIS IS MY BODY, BROKEN FOR YOU. EAT IT IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Labrat: Did you know that the word hebrew is derived from a babylonian word meaning vagrant?

Xratir: Maybe they are same religion then...

Oct: RED IS THE COLOR OF THE BLOOD THAT FLOWED leaves

Oct: DOWN THE FACE OF SOMEONE THAT LOVED US SO leaves

Xratir: I dont understand the trinity that clearly myself

SqChick: The hebrew people are surprisingly meaningless in the big picture of that area....they were nomads and an extremely small nation in comparison

SqChick: The hebrew people were made into a big deal because of the christian religion....interesting how that turned out huh

SqChick: Makes you wonder anyway Disciple28 The Hebrew people were made into a big deal by God, not us..

Xratir: Can anyone tell me what Trinity Father, Son and Holy spirit is clearly? Disciple28

Xratir:.. Well, easiest way to think about the Trinity, is this..

Sophic: the Father is the Ocean....The Holy spirit is the wave....and the Son is the impact on the shore

Sophic: Groan

SqChick: I heard the Trinity described once like this....that it was a divine dance of sorts ... sort of like the three cannot be separate but are separate somehow

SqChick: Like three parts to one deity....personalities if you will

Disciple28: Humans are created with 3 parts.. mind, Body Spirit

SqChick: The Father is the creator, the Son is the savior, and the Spirit is god amongst his people

Paradigm: I have heard it described as an egg the son being the yolk of course

Disciple28: Jesus said he could'nt do anything, except by the will of the father

Labrat: I wonder why the holy spirit doesn't have a name

Oct: LORD ALMIGHTY GOD, YOU WHO ARE THE MAKER OF ALL THAT IS, AND YET YOU WHO SEEK A KIND OF INTIMATE INTIMACY WITH US THAT WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND

Paradigm: October prayer should be something you do between you and your god--not like the pharisees in front of everyone

Sophic: he Holy Spirit's true and secret name is.........

Primus: Yeah well october, his loving father sent him to be crucified for something he didn't do,,,,YOU ALWAYS HURT THE ONES YOU LOVE ..EH ?

Heathen: Labrat, I've heard the holy spirit referred to as the bond that holds the father and son together.

Disciple28: If you think of it like that, look at the fact that we cannot move any part of our bodies, unless our mind wills it

Paradigm: To lead everyone in the same prayer to the same God...such is not possible in a discussion room of this type and magnitude

Julie: The_God also says that where two or three are gathered together in Jesus name, that He is there in the midst of them and hears and will answer them.

Labrat: Do you think that jesus had free will? after all of the prophecies and all, did he really have a choice?

SeriousSoul: Disciple I do not know if that scripture has anything to do with the Trinity. it may. but I think the best way to understand the trinity is to understand that there is a mediator between the Creator and the created, or between God and man and Jesus is that mediator.

Paradigm: Some discussion of the trinity in another

Sophic: So..if only one person is present the Lord is not with them ?

Xratir: Isn't mind and spirit same thing?

Xratir: So it is God, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Oct: THIS IS JESUS CHRIST, THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, HAPPY ARE WE WHO ARE CALLED TO HIS TABLE

Xratir: What does Holy Spirit do?

Labrat: That's not free will

Oct: My church's motto is Making disciples who make a difference

Xratir: Can anyone tell me what holy spirit does?

Sophic: Was taught that the Holy spirit is the bridge between the Father (potentiality) and the Son (Actuality) : that the spirit moves the will of God into an actual manifestation or causality

Om: OK.... I found the books I was looking for.. now to thumb through them...

Julie: Labrat, I believe Jesus had a choice. Remember the standoff between Jesus and the devil in the wilderness? Jesus listened, then rejected with the Word of God.

Gran:

Xratir: it is the most Taoist part of the trinity it just is

Xratir: When we say god, does it include son and spirit? or just father?

Paradigm: Believes that all of life's a stage and we are but mere actors and actresses acting out a play before an audience (God) who already knows the ending

Labrat: Julie, I agree that he exercised his freedom of choice in that instance, but as far as dying for our sins? How can you go against a few thousand years of prophecy inspired by god?

Oct: We stand under the cross again today, awed again at the measure

Paradigm: We act out a script because what we do is predestined on a long term scale although a limited view makes it appear as though we have a free will

Oct: I ask forgiveness for my frequent masturbating, oh God, and ask you to give me the strength to resist my sexual urges.

Mix: October - it's ok, and natural, to masturbate

Alias: Do christians judge one another?

Paradigm: Masturbation = sin?

Mix: Masturbation is ok

Converts I believe that the bible is literally true

Alias: What is the paradox of living the life of a Christian

Bijou: Converts but it think that creationism has no evidence for it whatsoever

Paradigm: What is blasphemy?

Labrat: I think that mankind has anthromorphized these forces in our lives. Organized religion by it's very nature works against rational thought.

Om: It is a conversation in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad between a devotee named Vidagdha Sakalya and the Sage Yajnavalkya

Om: and

Xratir: is still here.. I think Xratir asked...

DIPPED_IN_SHIT: Wow Om, how can you spell those words?

Om: Xratir .. are you still there...?

Julie: Spiritual warfare is very real. Eph. 10:6 - against the devil's schemes put on the full armor of God. When the day of evil comes, use God's Words, so that you may stand at the end of the temptations.

SeriousSoul: Can you prove the existence of many Gods OM

Paradigm: Gods are by their very nature unprovable!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xratir: I was asking questions about holy spirit

Gran: Serious can you prove the existence of ANY gods?

Om: I was just trying to be nice and answer what might have been a serious question.. although I suspect that it is some kind of ploy to launch an attack on my personal beliefs.. and not a genuine question asked out of interest...

Xratir: You are the living proof!

Julie: 1. learn the reality of spiritual warfare. satan has tried to deceive the world even to his own existence.

SeriousSoul: Gods divine nature and eternal power can be understood from that which has been made

Om: Well... I suppose I will just go ahead and make the question and the answer a page in my website... and not waste my breath here

Julie: 2. 2 Cor. 11 - satan angel of light and not darkness, so therefore it is difficult to determine what is right or not.

Paradigm: I am proof of biological processes, all of which are not yet explainable

Om: No one can PROVE jesus or Krishna or Jehova or the holy spirit.. or anything else... its all a matter of faith...

SeriousSoul: I suggest u do that OM. you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and I won't have to listen to it.

SpecialM: OM...if you believe in the bible you can believe it is true

Paradigm: Agrees with OM

Jan OH YES I CAN PROVE JESUS IS REAL

Om: You know... serious soul.... I haven't once found it necessary to resort to foul language.. or to insult anyone on a personal level...

Om: I guess perhaps thats because my religion is superior to yours....

Julie: Or if not defeated, Satan will try to get you involved in other things to take you further away from Christ.

Xratir: Om, were you talking to me about refusing to answer the question?

Om: Even though my religion doesn't claim to make man RIGHT with God... or empower people against a (non-existent) satan...

Chev: What does your religion claim Om Namah??

Om: I'm not refusing to answer anyone's questions.... I just dont feel like wasting my breath.. with petty ad hominem attackers... so I will post a page in my website....

Xratir: Om, were you talking to me?

Xratir: Do u even remember my question, Om?

Xratir: My question was how many gods are there in hindu.

Om: It does make a particle of difference what my religion claims.. I simply say that Christianity and Islam are evil in that they condemn the rest of humanity to eternal torture at the hands of a vindictive god... thats my only point.. and Christians and Muslims are certainly not morally superior to any other religion or race.. and in many ways.. historically. they are very much INFERIOR..

Xratir: Just say you don't know if you dont.

Paradigm: Om now that's not nice

Chev: Christians are not perfect Om

SeriousSoul: Om Christianity and Islam and Judaism are the only three religions that even recognize e the existence of evil.

Om: Christians and muslims do not hesitate to disparage jews... hindus.. and buddhists.. for not embracing the tenants of christianity and islam....

SpecialM: On Judgment day, Satan and his followers will be destroyed

Xratir: I m only asking questions to gain knowledge

John8 How are ya buddy????

Paradigm: Well I'm sure you are intelligent enough to know that you don' t do something just because someone else does

Chev: And how do you figure Christianity is evil Om???

SpecialM: Xratir..what is the question?

Om: You mean.. they are the only three religions which COOKED UP THE FALSE NOTION OF HELL AND DEVIL.. and go about threatening the rest of the world with it to gain political control...

Xratir: And stop criticizing christians, om!

Paradigm: OM---be careful when you fight monsters, that in the process you do not become one

SeriousSoul: Is there a minister here or someone who can help me with a person who says they want to commit murder

Julie: One_how many Christians do you know to make a blatant statement like that?

Om: The only real monster is the Christian.. and I'm not in much danger of becoming that.. since I was one for 17 years.. and rejected it...

Dom: God bless you Om

Xratir: Om, Please stop criticizing us

Om: I dont think I'm silly,,... I haven't called anyone silly... and I think my arguments are very well thought out.. and difficult to counter....

Dom: We bless Om

Chev: Om why do you think Christians are evil??

Xratir: God bless you Om.

Paradigm: OM---in other words be careful that when you battle against something that you feel is unjust or defiled that you don't become just as bad as they are in attempts to show a more perfect way

Dom: Good for you Xratir

Om: Chevi.. read the very next paragraph VERY CAREFULLY about the jewish holocaust.. african slavery.. witch burning.... etc etc.. spanish inquisition.. and I THINK YOU WILL GET THE MESSAGE

Paradigm: Good question Chev

Tanj: FOR GOD LOVED THE WORLD SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON, SO THAT WHO EVER BELIEVES IN HIM (Jesus) SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE!

Julie: I LOVE, it is never to late to confess and repent and turn from wicked ways and let the Lord lead a person to the life He has planned for them. Never too late. No sin too great not to forgive.

Xratir: I HAVE READ IT ALL, OM.!

Om: ALL those above mentioned evils.. including communism... are the products of white Christian nations...

Dom: There is white christian nation Om !

Om: So.. then.. you may not agree with it.. but dont ask me why I think christians and christianity are basically evil...

Paradigm: But shouldn't one fault the believers rather than the belief --OM

Om: Germany is not a white christian nation...??!!!

Om: Get real....

Chev: How do you blame that on Christianity??

Xratir: I dont care what you think

SeriousSoul: OM YOU ARE A FRUIT CAKE

Dom: No , Germany is not Christian nation.

Om: Germany was not a Muslim nation... Germany was not a Buddhist nation.. germany was not a Hindu nation.. you figure it out

SeriousSoul: NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZI SKINHEADS lol lol lol

Paradigm: OM---aren't you finding fault in the wrong thing?

Om: and the vicious anti-semitic writings of Martin Luther.. who founded the German Protestant Reformation... that anti-semitism layed the groundwork for the German Jewish Holocaust...

Paradigm: It is the believers who enslaved people and engage in hate crimes not the belief

Om: No... I think I have hit the nail right on the head...

Paradigm: The belief is about Love

Paradigm: Ok OM---you are being just as narrow minded as they are

Tanj: FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD

Dom: Om God loves you, you know !

Chev: Hitler layed the ground work for the Holocaust

SeriousSoul: YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN EMPTY MOUTH PIECE.

Om: I think I am being very open minded.... dont forget.. I spent 17 years as a christian... and 2 yrs in a monastery... before I came to my conclusions.... I think that is rather open minded....

Xratir: Om, in human history, many christians killed people and also many people killed christians.

Paradigm: Ok Om that may be true

Om: You are evil serious soul.. I'm looking right at you.. you are evil...

Paradigm: But since you have a knowledge of Christian doctrine, don't you remember that Jesus taught love not hate?

Dom: God bless you Om

Dude: Om are you Jewish

SeriousSoul: YOU THINK A LOT OF THINGS BUT THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD CALL YOUR THINKING IS OPEN MINDED

Tanj: IT IS APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE, BUT AND AFTER THIS THE JUDGEMENT

Xratir: So, Om, you recognize evils ?

Om: You see your own Jesus says you are supposed to turn the other cheek and bless your enemies... like Dom.. but do any of you actually do that... noooo not many...

SeriousSoul: TRUTH HURT DEAR. TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF INSTEAD OF STANDING IN JUDGEMENT OVER EVERY ON ELSE FOR A CHANGE.

Paradigm: Om--what's happening to you?

Om: Then someone like serious soul puts on cursing like a garment.. as it says in the Psalms...

Xratir: Om, even you felt it

Paradigm: You are falling into a morass of spiteful personal attacks?

Rock: Hallelujah

Vandal: Can I get an Amen?

Om: Nothing happened to me... I just spent 17 years worshiping in what is basically a sick religion.. and being kind of slow and stupid.. as I am.. it took me 17 years to wake up to the fact.. and find a better religion....

Paradigm: Ok Om you found a better religion

Om: No im not Jewish.. I have no Jewish ancestry.. so.. you will have to find some other reason to hate me than that....

SeriousSoul: I NEVER CALLED ANYONE EVIL. THAT IS A PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN LITTLE EVIL IMAGINATION. ALL I SAID IS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS.

Paradigm: Love as the supreme virtue?

Paradigm: Om---you are not answering my question

Paradigm: Please answer me

Om: I wouldn't call that LOVE OVER HATE... I call that a twisted sadistic god...

Julie: ILOVE, do you realize (surely you don't) that this father, the devil, you are claiming to be your father has already been defeated at the cross? And that in Holy Scriptures it is mentioned more than once when satan's demons have already admitted defeat?

Om: I am answering your question.. very precisely.. very concisely.. but you are too deeply in denial to see the obvious truth about your own religion

Paradigm: You don't know my religion

Alias: Christians should never back down from a fight its how we stay strong

Om: I am not discussing your religion.. I am discussing christianity and islam...

Chev: Om: A lot of people claim they are Christians, but they dont have the love of Christ in their hearts

Paradigm: From my understanding of Christianity there is no threat if you are in love with God

Om: I know I know.. the pope of rome isn't christian.. right?/??? mother theresa wasn't christian...right??? the 1 billion roman catholics in the world aren't christian... right???

Dude: Sounds like you've built quite a rationale for not believing. Are you interested in truth in truth

Julie: Satan attacks in three ways. Analyze which way he may be subtly attacking BEFORE YOU ACT: 1. lust of eyes. 2. lust of flesh. 3. pride of life.

Vamp: Om there is only one right answer but you have to find it. god asks people to try him and see.

SeriousSoul: I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CARE TO WORSHIP. GO DRINK PEE AND WORSHIP COWS WITH THE REST OF THE HINDUS

Poetry: If you love me, keep my commandments Holy Bible

Paradigm: Om--you seem to have developed a fundamentalist-type belief for your own religion

Om: Oh yes.. christian missionaries to underdeveloped countries.. that means Lets find some starving person and then trick him into selling out his heritage and dignity for a bowl of rice and a blanket..... nice charity at work there...

Lucin: Since when has god asked anyone to do anything..has god spoken to you personally or you just rely on your second hand words in your bible

Dom: Mmm ... just like dairy product ad

Xratir: You seem to be a very calm person

Poetry: By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.Holy Bible

Chev: Paradigm Om is entitled to what he believes

Paradigm: No one is entitled to be hurtful and deceitful

Lucin: Om. in the case of Hawaii the missionaries just stole the whole country..

Julie: It really cannot be stressed enough to read the scriptures daily and pray and ask for wisdom and understanding. If one asks for wisdom, you will be so amazed at what happens. Ask all you want everyday too

Chev: He is just expressing his views

Paradigm: Om has begun this speech by making several false claims and refusing to analyze them to determine her merit

Xratir: I think many christians argue and fight before opening minds and loving

Om: I'm really just saying very obvious common sense things about christianity and islam... I am not nit-picking over the fine hairs of issues concerning works vs. faith.. or transubstantiation or the relationship between Christs human and divine natures........

Lucin: The fact is that missionaries have tied food aid to conversion.. during the various religious disagreement in england you starved or converted

Dom: I'm agree. Because they didn't know Jesus

Lucin: To their form of Christianity

Om: And here is false claim #2.. are we ready>>>?????

Om: And here is false claim # 3 ... are we all ready now>>>????

Lucin: That is a fact...Om..Christians and Muslims kill with great fervor in the name of their god

Paradigm: Om---you have yet to discuss anything of consequence---mentioning what believers do means nothing---we don't fault Ford when a drunk driver rams his mustang into an innocent child

Om: So there are three dreadfully false claims.... for you to disprove...

SeriousSoul: The past 6000 years Hindus have had a cast system that literately embalms 75 % of it people.

Vamp: Om Jesus said that the only way to the father ifs through the son. no need to mention other religions. they do mention greek/roman gods though

Chev: Christians dont worship the Lord out of threat Om

Om: Are you going to tell me that your scriptures DO NOT THREATEN mankind with eternal torment.. if EVERY KNEE DOES NOT BOW to Jesus???? hmmmm.... are you saying that..

Poetry: Jews are rather brownish but Jesus is now in the spiritual realm of heaven

Xratir: If they were true christians, they would respect other peoples' opinion regardless right or wrong.

Dude: What would it take for Jesus to prove himself to you

Lucin: Yes the hindus have had serious problems .. but were they allowed to solve their own problems or did the british theocrats choose to use the system and

Vamp: The bible says every knee shall bow because god and jesus are the one and only

Chev: No I will say that scripture says that the reward for sin is eternal death

Paradigm: Om--your first statement is irrelevant because it focuses on the wrong thing

Poetry: Every knee WILL bow---it will happen just as the Bible says --as all things there have.

Chev: Christians worship the Lord out of love not being threatened

Paradigm: Your second statement concerning why Christians worship is again irrelevant because it focuses on believers and not the belief

Om: Ohhh.. so... the white christian nation of the american colonies never killed innocent women as witches in salem.. and never enslaved and sold and exploited millions of black africans.... okay... I see...

Poetry: Who really cares what color the skin is----FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Paradigm: Your statement about the exclusion of Hindu and buddhism is valid though

Om: And the white christians were very nice and kind and fair the the north and south American Indians... okey dokey.. I see that too...

Om: And the spanish inquisition never took place.......

Lucin: Millions of people were killed by so called Christians. if Constantine had not killed the cult of Mithra by genocide ..your religion might not have survived
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