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Marigold: whats anekantavada
Sitaram: hi
Sitaram: it is a Jain religious term
Sitaram: which is also called...
Sitaram: the Doctrine of Manifold Aspects
Marigold: what does it mean
Sitaram: it means.... that any attempt at verbalization of truth
Sitaram: is but a partial verbalization
Marigold: what really is sanatan dharma
Sitaram: you might like to visit my website... and read about it
Sitaram: sanatan dharma means.... Eternal Righteousness
Sitaram: it is a word used to denote Hinduism
Marigold: hey I am a Hindu myself
Sitaram: would you like to visit my website... there are 200 pages of reading on such topics
Marigold: why here?age?
Sitaram: I greatly admire Jain theology
Sitaram: 50 male
Marigold: r u one
Marigold: what do u do,american?
Sitaram: no... im hindu... I attend a Guyanese mandir now for 6 yrs
Sitaram: I am of dutch,british irish ancestry.. american born... no indian ancestry
Sitaram: would you like to visit my website.. I can give you the URL address
Marigold: no im like here to chat kills my time alone need to talk thats all
Sitaram: ok... would you like me to email it to you... or you have absolutely no interest
Marigold: well I am a hindu so there is a lot I do know n actually......no I may not read it so
Sitaram: okay...
Marigold: is it okay?
Marigold: still wanna talk
Sitaram: of course.. its your choice.. but you did seem curious about such topics
Sitaram: I will talk if you like
Marigold: so what brought this drastic change in your life
Sitaram: well... if you would have visited me website.. on page one.. you would see my photo.. and you would read about a dream I had 4 years ago in which I saw Bhagwan as a cloud with Jesus Buddha and Krsna inside
Sitaram: and you would have read about the several interesting things which were said to me in the dream
Marigold: hmm whats your opinion on flirting
Sitaram: thats why I made the website.. so I could answer such questions.. without typing over and over... but I am pleased to keep you company.. if you just want to chat
Marigold: yes I do
Sitaram: I am 50 yrs old.. and have been married twice.. and am in my second marriage... I am not very interested in flirting...
Sitaram: but.. I have been so in my life...
Sitaram: obviously... the sexual drive is very strong in all people
Marigold: how do u see it moral immoral
Marigold: is it sexual attraction that spears it
Sitaram: I have a number of pages in the website devoted to such topics of sexuality
Marigold: I am in my 20's and have a bad marriage
Sitaram: in my beliefs... it is not so much
Sitaram: was it arranged?
Sitaram: are you female
Marigold: no n yes
Sitaram: I have spoken with other women,,, on line... hindu... in bad marriages....
Sitaram: it is painful for a woman...
Sitaram: are there children
Marigold: hmmm,lonely
Marigold: three small children
Sitaram: that makes it even more difficult
Sitaram: than if there are no children
Marigold: of passion n desire
Marigold: a creature of loving n giving n so alone
Marigold: answer me
Sitaram: so...your husband...
Sitaram: does not satisfy you sexually
Marigold: its not about sex
Sitaram: about... romance then... tenderness
Marigold: being connected
Sitaram: you mean... like a kindred spirit... sharing lots in common
Marigold: u know .....just love ..
Sitaram: I see... you are not "in love" with your husband... or vice versa
Marigold: the way only a man can make a woman feel with his love
Sitaram: and... have you been flirting on line.. to try and satisfy your needs?
Marigold: the way he would look at u indulgently etc
Marigold: no, off line
Sitaram: whats that... you say you dont flirt on line.. but you are flirting with other men off line... in person
Marigold: I never tried it just kept happening n I was bored n lonely so it just went on.........
Sitaram: are you tempted to have an extra-marital affair
Marigold: i've had one
Sitaram: does your husband know....
Marigold: yes
Sitaram: was he very angry
Marigold: forgives me
Marigold: he says he loves me
Sitaram: did he understand..... your needs.... did he know your lover...
Marigold: I dont feel it
Marigold: we never had sex
Sitaram: oh.. just... flirting and petting
Marigold: hmm
Sitaram: have you ever made love to anyone besides your husband
Marigold: no
Sitaram: and your wedding night was your first time... I suppose
Sitaram: and how old were you when you married
Marigold: tell me does sexual attraction initiate flirting for a man
Marigold: sort of
Sitaram: I hope I am not being too personal in my questions...
Marigold: its okay
Sitaram: well.. men are very vulnerable...
Marigold: and
Sitaram: I am 50.. and try to be very religious...
Sitaram: but just having you talk like this.. makes me aroused...
Sitaram: men are very opportunistic...
Sitaram: if they see a chance for intercourse... its hard to say no
Marigold: what would make a married man flirt
Marigold: hmm really
Sitaram: the hope of having an illicit sexual affair
Sitaram: women have a great deal of power in this respect
Marigold: there is this guy from Italy who gives those looks to me
Sitaram: even a plain looking woman... if she set her mind to it.. could have many sexual partners...
Sitaram: are you in england...
Marigold: hows that
Sitaram: im in brooklyn New York
Marigold: no in Bangladesh
Sitaram: really!!!! I didn't know Bangladesh offered America ON Line
Marigold: now u do
Sitaram: amazing...
Sitaram: well.. I will be very honest with you
Marigold: tell me I've never flirted so openly
Marigold: what?
Sitaram: if any woman.. like yourself.. were.. lets say... in a city like manhattan... where you could encounter ... meet many men
Sitaram: on the street.. in elevators.. in the subway....
Marigold: I dont know how to handle this guy
Marigold: and?
Sitaram: such a woman.. could have many sexual encounters... if she knew what to do.. and what to say... and who to pick
Sitaram: but... here.. I am teaching you how to be wicked... which I suppose is not good
Marigold: yes that I know of america
Sitaram: of course.. I am ignorant of Bangladesh... the culture.. I mean I only know from books...
Marigold: no tell me how to channel this guy I would like to do this right
Sitaram: so perhaps what works in usa wouldn't work in Bangladesh...
Sitaram: first of all.. does your husband know this man.. does he know your husband..
Marigold: lol n u would know I think its nice I like to talk to older men listen to their perspective
Marigold: very well
Sitaram: you say he knows your husband very well???
Marigold: social friends
Marigold: as couples
Sitaram: I gather you are living in a situation where you cant easily meet men .. strangers.. on your own...
Sitaram: but... is it your desire to have intercourse with this man...
Marigold: he is wealthy with a roving eye
Marigold: no
Sitaram: well.. what are you trying to accomplish
Marigold: that would ruin things
Sitaram: do you want him to "take you away"... marry you
Marigold: nope
Sitaram: if it is not an offensive question... are you attracted by the "exotic" nature of other races.. nationalities
Marigold: never b rude about this yet b friends in this nice manner
Marigold: "exotic" nature of other races.?????
Sitaram: many american men.. fantasize over oriental women.. black women.. indian women
Marigold: oh yes many times
Sitaram: yes.. it turns some people on... actually many people. to be with someone with different skin color.. different hair... etc etc
Sitaram: are you of dark complexion
Marigold: and am sure there is a big difference in approach n style......lol
Marigold: nope
Marigold: I long to make love to a man who loves me and whom I love
Sitaram: I do know for a fact.. from talking with american black women... that american blacks are less tender with their women... and that white men.. spend more time being tender and giving physical pleasure to the woman...
Sitaram: just giving you an example...
Marigold: hmmm well my husband is very tender and always pleasing etc but..........
Sitaram: but I dont understand what you desire to accomplish... you dont want to have intercourse with another man.. you dont want to leave your husband.. but you want to flirt with another man...
Marigold: for fun
Sitaram: you say... flirt for fun... is that it
Marigold: who is gonna love my babies if I leave my husband
Sitaram: if it is not too personal... to ask.. do you ever have secret sexual fantasies....
Marigold: already told u mine
Sitaram: hmmm hold on a minute
Sitaram: when americans say "sexual fantasy"... they mean.. graphic details in your mind.... the man does this to you.. you do that to the man.... and you linger over the thoughts.. and perhaps even massage yourself.... that is a fantasy
Sitaram: linger over the THOUGHTS... spelling error
Marigold: no just the thoughts of loving a man who loves me is a fantasy
Sitaram: but you dont allow yourself to vividly picture the details...
Sitaram: however you do in the back of your mind.. hope that this "flirtation" will lead to divorce and remarriage....
Marigold: I do of him holding me of peace of not fighting to be myself,of holding hands
Sitaram: if it is not too personal.. when you make love with your husband.. do you easily experience orgasm.. and come to climax....
Sitaram: i.e. do you feel intense unbearable pleasure in the genitals... there are some women who never experience that...
Marigold: well I am bored cause he gets too excited with me
Marigold: yes many times
Sitaram: what.. you mean he ejaculates prematurely.... and doesn't "last" long enough to give you satisfaction
Marigold: no no
Sitaram: well.. that is good.. it is very difficult if the woman never experiences pleasure...
Marigold: he is in love with my body
Sitaram: how many times per week do you two make love
Sitaram: so.. you mean.. you feel like "a piece of meat" so to speak... he loves your body.. your breasts vagina.. bottom... but not YOU...
Marigold: hmmm
Sitaram: am I understanding you correctly
Marigold: yes
Sitaram: I see.. yes.. men have this weakness...
Sitaram: any womans body is... very intoxicating...
Sitaram: I hope I have not offended you by my direct speech
Marigold: lol
Marigold: no I like it
Sitaram: I am trying to be respectful..
Sitaram: why.. does it... excite you... as something forbidden???
Marigold: be yourself
Sitaram: why... you want me to talk naughty to you??
Marigold: no because truth is always beautiful n love is natural so is sex n beauty
Marigold: no
Sitaram: I didn't think so
Sitaram: just checking
Sitaram: so.. is this conversation helping you at all.. in your "problem"... or in thinking about it...
Marigold: so tell me the man's point of view on this guy (the flirt)
Marigold: now it may
Sitaram: he wants to get in your panties....
Sitaram: and why not.... it would be fun ... right
Marigold: u think so is that what they r after
Sitaram: but most guys will take what they can get.. and are not out for any long term relationship...
Marigold: looks more like it
Marigold: what bores men after a while
Sitaram: well... here I am ... a middle aged man .. trying to be religious... and just talking with you about this.. I am so hard... a cat couldn't scratch it...
Sitaram: so.. such is the nature of men...
Sitaram: its just a deep seated instinct....
Marigold: wow dont live a life of denial live life its gods greatest gift
Marigold: where is the wife
Sitaram: well.. im married.. and I had sex with my wife last night... but... you see.. thats human nature
Sitaram: nothing is ever enough
Marigold: its ok
Sitaram: I am ashamed to admit the truth.. but perhaps it is helpful for you to hear the truth
Sitaram: if you were here right now.. and I thought you were clean and safe.... and no one would find out.. it would be hard to resist the temptation
Sitaram: but... a wealthy man especially ... wont care about YOU....
Marigold: in truth there is no shame ,shame is only a worldly emotion
Marigold: ??????
Sitaram: in fact... a man of modest means.. will treasure you more... than a wealthy man who could have anything or anyone he wants
Sitaram: perhaps there is another thing you should consider... about yourself...
Marigold: ???
Sitaram: namely.... what I discovered about myself.. let me explain
Sitaram: I didn't have sex until I was 30 yrs old.. and I married that woman... my first wife.. and stayed married for 13 yrs
Marigold: send me a picture
Sitaram: the picture is in my website... just bring up the URL
Marigold: please im me
Sitaram: I e mailed you the URL...
Marigold: ok
Sitaram: and if you right click... on the picture.. or any picture.. you can save it to disk.. perhaps you know that already..
Sitaram: but.. choose to save it as .BMP ... and not .ART
Sitaram: or .JPG.. if it offers you the choice... .JPG is best
Sitaram: so.. anyway.. in my first marriage... 13 years.. my wife was very young and beautiful.. and we did everything sexually that a man and woman can do.. as often as I wanted...
Marigold: later u were saying.......
Sitaram: but.. after marriage was over... I realized that.. for all the sex and fun I had had.... for 13 yrs.. it was like the shadow of a ghost of a dream
Sitaram: I was still just as craving.. just as hungry.. as if I had never experienced those pleasures... perhaps more so...
Marigold: and why ?
Sitaram: so... I realized that... no matter how many women.. and sexual acts I enjoy... I will never be fulfilled.. it is an illusion
Sitaram: I dont know why.... I only know it is a fact
Sitaram: but here is my point to you....
Sitaram: I do not think you have the kind of sexual appetite that I do....
Sitaram: but.. whatever your desires,, cravings... longings are...
Sitaram: I am suggesting that perhaps.. you too will never find satisfaction... even if you leave your husband... and find another....
Marigold: and
Sitaram: well.. if you divorce and remarry.. and are still unhappy.... then what
Marigold: so whats your thing
Marigold: which is why I dont want to divorce
Sitaram: I know it sounds... like a crude thing to suggest.... I hope you wont be offended... but.. maybe if you just met someone secretly and.... have sex like fury... for an hour... with a stranger... maybe it would... change something inside you..
Sitaram: I mean.. instead of flirting... divorcing.. remarrying...
Sitaram: I can tell you.. that... because I never had sex till I was 30... (lots of teenagers today start when they are 13)... and then I stayed with that one woman for 13 yrs.... well.. I was frustrated...
Marigold: yes......go on
Sitaram: frustrated in a way that I wouldn't have been... had I enjoyed several sexual partners in my teen age years...
Marigold: so u r saying.........
Sitaram: of course.. thats only my theory.. perhaps had I become sexually active as a teenagers... perhaps I would be suffering just a much today...
Sitaram: one can never know how changing the past might have changed things in the future... one can only conjecture...
Marigold: so whats the message
Sitaram: of course.. if you found some young horny fellow.. and jumped in a room naked with him... and did it for an hour or so... well.. he would just be ... desiring your body.. and not you as a person... and you say that you want..
Sitaram: someone to love you romantically... not just sexually...
Marigold: nice music in your website ...hmm yes so
Sitaram: it seems to me.. like you are searching for something missing.. something you may never find...
Marigold: n u say.........??????/
Marigold: I think so too
Sitaram: I do realize for myself.. that no matter how many women I would have... I will still be plagued with lust... desire...
Marigold: we were made like this by the creator
Sitaram: and... it is highly possible .. that if you find a different husband.. well... an old saying in america..."The devil you KNOW is better than the devil YOU DONT KNOW"
Sitaram: ALSO.. out of the frying pan... and into the fire... as they say...
Marigold: known devil
Marigold: yeah
Sitaram: meaning.... you look for a change.. and you wind up with something worse than what you had...
Marigold: hmmi know soooooo
Marigold: make your point u r making me sleepy
Sitaram: I had long long talks with a hindu woman in Switzerland... married to a german/white guy... and he was impotent... and would go to the doctor for Viagra even... and she was miserable and frustrated
Sitaram: I made my points ... I think...
Sitaram: what more can I say...
Marigold: well any way thanks 4 the conversation
Marigold: bye
Sitaram: sure.. good luck.. hope you find happiness
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