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look there is no such think as christian unity.. christianity is 1500 separate subtly different sectarian groups.. the largest of which is Roman Catholic.. and all the others for the most part condemn the Roman Catholics as Idolators.. deluded by satan.. so lots of judement there.. and little unity or agreement or love...
in fact... I have gone into christian chat rooms many times.. and asked various people if they consider Bill Clinton Christian.. and many say flat out NO... because "he sins"... but New Testament says all have sinned and fallen short of glory of lord.. and King David.. and Moses, and Abraham, and Solomon where shown to be sinners.. so.. look at the judgemental hypocrisy...
and yet christians are quick to say... "just confess Jesus as your PERSONAL saviour.. and you are saved and forgiven...
so who is anyone to judge Bill Clinton.. and deny him that forgiveness.....
and yet.. go into any christian chat.... I dare you to do it right now.. and go into each room and say.. "is bill clinton a christian" and see what all those so called christians say....
what do you want , A TAPE RECORDING OF WHAT I HEARD DOZENS OF TIMES.. or a screen shot....
well youre a gullible fool if you dont believe what I see in christian chat every single time I go in there... and if you wont go yourself and see for yourself...
dont believe me.. just go in each christian chat room.. every day.. and ask that same question... in fact ask three interesting questions...
question number 1 "is bill clinton christian"...
question # 2.. is the Pope of Rome Christian...
and question # 3.... IS BILLY GRAHAM CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!
AND I guarantee you that you will even find people who claim to be very devout christians.. who will .. for whatever sectarian reason.. say that even BILLY GRAHAM is not a christian...
you dont have to take my word.. just try the experiment yourself every day over a weeks time...... for one hour per day.. and watch the interesting answers you get
my point is very simply that the word "christian:" is a fiction.. there is one single creed or confession agreed upon by all these people who claim to be christians...
and secondly.. there is no such thing as christian unity of faith... it is a fiction...
(if we are not Christians.. then what do YOU call us)...
i personally call you pains in the hiney.. but thats another matter
you can call yourselves whatever you please...
but the truth is pretty obvious and undeniable
hey.. im no more bitter and judgemental than all the christians who damn jews and hindus and buddhists and muslims to eternal hell and torment for not confessing jesus as their personal saviour...
in fact.. im a little less bitter and judgemental.. since I dont believe in satan or hell or eternal torment.. so I dont condemn christians to anything... I simply point out their error and inconsistencies...
christians love to condemn each other and everyone else to hell, eternal torment.. but they sure dont like it when someone even suggests that they are simply.. in error... im certain that you personally might never say that philomena.. but for every one of you .. there are 10,000 judmental anti-semites... who claim to be christian.. who would.. and do.. condemn and judge others....
(what is your religion?)
hindu
(Oh ..well that explains why you talk the way you do)
well... duh.... im only constantly attacked as a satan worshiper.. and there is no mention of satan in hindu scriptures.. or eternal torment... hey.. look.. if you carefully study the words of St. Paul.. in the Epistles.. and see what he says should happen with Christians... how they will be "made right with God".. how they will become "the NEW MAN"... .. then look very closely at the 2000 yrs of history of all the nations who have adopted Christianity.. and their bigotry.. murderous opressive wars... the exploitation.. and you will see what a farce and failure christianity is...
ohhh.. the aids hospices.. heavily out weigh the 6 million jews in the holocaust , the spanish inquisition.. and the witch burnings....
you people are really fools
oh.. and throw in the enslavement of the africans... and the murders ofthe American INdians...
look... it is a religion which.. at face value.. is cannabilistic in its worship.. since it symbolically slays the god-man daily in liturgy or mass.. then eats the body and blood...
thats exactly what it is at face value....
its a religion that criticizes hindus for worshiping a stone.. but then worships a dead man on a stick... face value now..
i am just as every bit entitled to discribe what I see in christianity at face value.. as christians are to discribe and criticize what they think they see at face value in hinduism...
if you read the prophet Ezekiel in old testament.. you will see that Ezekiel has a vision of God.. which is MORE HINDU than anything in any hindu scriptures... a flying flameing chariot.. with wheels. and wings.. and 3 animal heads and 1 human head... hey now boys and girls.. were talkiing FACE VALUE here...
i call em as I see em
so if the Holy Prophet Ezekiel can see God as that bizarre chariot.. welll. how dare.. anyone criticize Hindu perceptions of God...
and... if you look at the first book of Samuel... you will see that Hanna.. the mother of Samuel.. is the first in the bible to pray to God using the term "Lord of Hosts"... and Lord of Hosts is an exact translation of the Hindu title of God as Ganapati... or Ganesh... Gana means hosts or troops.. and pati means lord or leader...
so isnt that a most unusual coincidence.. and if god is eternal and unchanging.. then why does Hanna suddenly pop up with the phrase Lord of Hosts.. very late in the game.. and thereafter.. the phrase appears ALL OVER THE PLACE...
and when Jacob wrestles all night with the Angel of the Lord.. in the morning.. he erects a stone.. and annoints it with oil.. this is the ancient Hindu practice of worshiping God with the Sivalingam....
and no attempt is ever made anywhere in the Talmud, rabbinic tradition.. or in Christian theology ... to explain the significance of Jacobs act of worship.. and it is never repeated again in scriptures..
people think im mean and nasty and rotten for saying these things.. but..i say them very politely.. under the circumstances.. and I feel they are very difficult issues for anyone to address or explain or reconcile easily....
a lot of christians are just plain ignorant fat heads who go on their merry way... totally unaffected by any scholarly or logical argument... no fact is too big to be ignored when youre an ignoramus....
(someone says.. you can talk to me all you want.. but I will still embrace my christian faith)
well. you just in so many words.. confirmed the truth of what I said.. you just admitted that no matter what anybody says to you. you will continue to embrace your beliefs.. so .. I rest my case ;)
God touched my life in a very hindu vision.. as hindu as Ezekiels vision of the flying chariot.. and I have every right to accept my experience of the divine... without you evil judgmental people telling me that it is satan deceiving me.. you and your false god and false scriptures invented a sick evil notion of a satan and eternal torment... I find that alone a sufficient ABOMINATION.. to reject your false religion...
hey... I have to go away from the keyboard... just visit christian chat rooms.. and you can hear that stuff all you want.. dont ask me "who said that"... like its not said every day... to hindus and buddhists and sikhs and jains...
it is interesting to note that Jews came to India in 168 BCE.... fleeing the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes... and they have been in Bombay ever since... to this day numbering 10,000.. and they have never once experienced anti-semitism from their Hindu neighbors...
nor is there a single verse in the Gita or Ramayan or Mahabarat or Upanisads or Puranas or Vedas.. which criticizes anyone for diversity of beliefe or practice.. or even for being agnostic or atheistic!!!!!
by the way.. I would like to point out that I have really not repeated myself tonigh.. except for several occasions where I need to ...ahem... get a certain persons attention...
one of the most misguided of all modern day christian practices.. is to constantly harp and repeat the same tired statements to the same old audience... everyone has heard these verses and arguments hundreds of times.. and if they were going to be moved to adopt the christian faith.. would have done so long ago....
i can very honestly say that in the past month... three christians have PMed me, seeking to speak with someone about spiritual problems.. in one case a young woman wanted to become greek orthodox... so I spent 40 minutes telling her what books to read.. what churches to visit.. and how to prepare for conversion...
another fellow.. an enlisted man in the services.. pmed me to say he was searching for a new faith.. cause his baptist upbringing was a real guild trip.. so I spent an hour explaining why he should look into the episcopal church.. and how he should bring up he 2 and 4 yr old.. in sunday school... even though he is agnostic
the young woman is reading the books on eastern orthodoxy.. and since she is only in her 20's.. I said.. dont rush.. take a year or two to prepare
and the third college student who pmed me. was a ministers son.. who was depressed cause he had smoked pot.. (after being clean for a year).. and he was a little to stoned to understand me the first time I said "You DO realize I am Hindu..dont you..."
so... I put on my protestant ministers hat.. and spent an hour.. telling him to count his blessings.. that it was only pot..not crack.. that he had been clean for one year.. not to "beat himself up" but forgive himself...
so... I put on my protestant ministers hat.. and spent an hour.. telling him to count his blessings.. that it was only pot..not crack.. that he had been clean for one year.. not to "beat himself up" but forgive himself...
so... I put on my protestant ministers hat.. and spent an hour.. telling him to count his blessings.. that it was only pot..not crack.. that he had been clean for one year.. not to "beat himself up" but forgive himself...
... that he should be greatful that he at least knows he did wrong.. and desires to reform....
i gave him a whole long sermon about David and how he sinned against Uriah.. but then repented and wrote the beautiful 51st Psalm.. "Have mercy on me o Lord.. according to thy great mercy...
then.... I pointed out that King Davids problem was a little more serious that smoking a joint (murder and adultery)
then... I suggested that he immediately begin to commit the beautiful 51st psalm to memory.... and when he knew it by heart.. to also memorize the 23rd psalm...
and.. when I had him all calmed down.. and happy.....
and his biggest worry was the thought of going home to his minister father and admitting what he had done...
and I said.. I bet half of your problem is your anxiety in thinking you have to measure up to your Minister Dad....
and you know what he finally said to me...???!!!!!
he said.. welll. I have one other thing troubling me....
so.. I said.. whats that....
and he says.. Well.. I always ddreamed of being a LEADER IN THE CHURCH...
and now that I smoked pott... etc etc.. im depressed cause I cant do that...
so.. I said... Look... Moses and Jeremiah both declined leadership when God first commanded them,... arguing that they were unqualified.. and slow of speech...
and I said.... here you are worried about smoking a joint.. and now.. in the next breath you are worried that you wont have the egotistical glory of church leadership...
i said.. You are certainly not of the caliber of a Moses or Jeremiah.. ...
but then.. I asked him.. how often do you go to church... and he answered TWICE a week... sundays and wednesdays...
so.. I said.. well... for the rest of your life.. whenever you are visited by the thought that you would like to be a spiritual leader in your church.. I want you to remind yourself of one thing.....
i want you to remind yourself that the day you smoked POT.. and felt depressed... you couldt find anyone in your church to talk to .. and you had to come on the internet and be counseled BY A HINDU...!!!!!
AND... thats when it sunk into his head... he didnt realize the first time is said IM HINDU....
and he said OHHHH MANNN im sooo sorry... I didnt realize...
well. he was a minsters son and felt depressed cause he had sinned...
and.. he PMed me.. because I was in this religion chat.. BLASTIN THE CHRISTIANS with long paragraphs filled with quote from scripture...
but all his bleary mind saw. .. was that I am a wind bag.. and quote scripture a lot...
so he figured I was a preacher...
so.. in the middle of my tyrade against the christians
i see this little PM box on my screen saying.... "are you a preacher?"
so.. I figure some smartaleky christian was trying to give me a hard time...
so all I said was "NO"...
but after five minutes of silence... by curiosity got the better of me... and I said "Why do you ask."
so.. he said... "Because im troubled and I need to confess"
this is an absolutely true story... I kid you not!!!!
after 17 yrs being greek orthodox.. and 2 yrs in a monastery... I can give sermons extemporaneosly for hours on old and new testament themes...
you had to be there from the beginning...
did anyone follow my story from beginning to end...
wasnt that an incredibly story...
i felt so sorry for him when he said..."i need to confess"... and what is more amusing... confessiion is literally the backbone of eastern orthodox spirituality.. and it is an alien concept to his protestant denomination...
i could name 100 denominations like that.. whats the difference...
but.. even though I speak critically of christianity... dont you think im somewhat liberal and compassionate.. to advise others in there own faith.. and in the context of their own scriptures and beliefs...
i cant be all that bad....
sometimes... christians and moslems need a taste of their own medicine... to see how they feel when they are treated as they treat others..... its called.. Humility....
away from keyboard.. brb
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