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"All those sweaty, muscular young Turks hustling up and down the grass, running, jumping, slipping, sliding and dunking... Well, it gets my imagination going a mile a minute". That is what Hank wrote in the discussion Mister Ertan from the Netherlands started on 2/10/2001.

Abuse of oilwrestlers in homo-porno

I like you to know that pictures of Turkish oilwrestlers are in gaymagazines, without even asking the oilwrestler asking their permission to publish their pics in these magazines of WITHOUT paying them.
The only people that make money are the photographers and the sellers of this porno, altough oilwrestlers and the sport have nothing to do with it. Is this normal? Does this happen in others sports too?

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Maria from Greece on 2/12/01

This is not a common problem in sport. Sad for the athletes who are victimized and misused by those creaps. But once the wrestlers know who are making those photographs for the homo-porno magazines, they can take action. First: ban those freaks from the arena. Publish their names and let your federation known who they are, so they can ban them for live. And sue them. When they make money with your picture, you should make more money than they do!

Their manhood is too much for the gays

Braslov on 2/13/01:

It is just that those macho hunks are too much for the gay people. When they see this, they can´t controll their hormones.

Screw those people

Ilhan on 2/18/01:

They mix up sport with porno? Chaise those crazy out of our sport!

They give this beautiful sport a bad name

Mustafa on 3/6/01:

From my ten years Kirkpinar experience I know this people are always around. They say there that they make pictures to promote the sport and later you find them in their randy magazines between cocksuckers. But there is little you can do about it as oilwrestler, as it is almost impossible to meet the expenses to pay a lawyer to sue these guys in Europe or America.

Gays and Turkish oil wrestlers

Murat on 3/20/01:

Gays want to have Turkish oil wrestlers to "play their thing" on the Gay Games:
home.gay.com/pehlivan/files/index.htm

Can't help being turned on by Turkish oil wrestler

Hank on 3/20/01:

Seeing those heavy legs in leather pants at Amsterdam Mokum TV gives me chills. I know they're all hung longer than a telephone pole, and I can't help being turned on by them. All those sweaty, muscular young Turks hustling up and down the grass, running, jumping, slipping, sliding and dunking.
Well, it gets my imagination going a mile a minute, picturing all that fresh meat bouncing around in their kispet-pants. You know what they say about the tall ones. I'd love to get slam-dunked by a Turkish 7-footer!

Hank

What a bunch of ignorant homophobic !

ck1 on 3/26/01:
First of all, the people who are responsible (the photographer and publisher) may not even be GAY ! Even if they were, why the entire gay community is blamed for their lack of ethic in the pornographic publishing industry ? What's up with the name calling. . . "freaks", "crazy", "cocksuckers" What century are you people living in ?? Do you still burn witches in your village ??

What they did to the Turkish wrestlers is no different than what they do to women in straight porn mags. Big titties in bathing suits were hunted and displayed without permissions from the "headless" ladies.

What they did to the Kirkpinar sport is no different than what they do to boxing in straight porn videos. Two girls boxing in the boxing ring until they both got naked in a made-for-straight-men-lesbian scene which ended with a straight man to the rescue.

The problem is, all men are pigs (like Hank, but at least he is honest) ! Doesn't matter gay or straight men most of them just love their "meat" big (melon shapes for the straights and stick shape for the homos) and unless you can swear that you have never read a porn mag in your entire life ! You are one of the paid (yeah, you borrow yours from a friend) supporters of the pornographic industry.

The bottomline is, there is nothing wrong with the pornographic publishing industry, there is nothing wrong with the gay community. However, there is something really wrong here on how some of the people reacted to the original question: Is this normal? Does this happen in others sports too? The correct is: No, this kind of practice is adnormal because it is simply illegal. And yes, it does happen in other sports too. END OF STORY !

If all these are too much for those "meat heads" to disgest and
understand. Please go hunt for more witches for your entertainment this evening.

Thank you for reading and goodbye.

ck1

Turkish men in porno magazines

Murat on 4/2/01:

Dear Mr (or Miss?) ck1,

You say that what they do to the Turkish wrestlers is no different than what they do to women in straight porn mags. Big titties in bathing suits were hunted and displayed without permissions from the "headless" ladies. Right, "headless".
But what I saw were manipulated pictures where the bulge in the leather pants were made bigger as on the original picture. And those guys were anything but "headless".
So, what you say is bullshit and for sure different as what they do with your headless lassies on a beach.

It makes no sense when you try to tell that what tose cocksuckers did to the Kirkpinar sport is no different than "what they do to boxing in straight porn videos."

O yes, it sure is different. When two girls boxing in the boxing ring "until they both got naked" in a made-for-straight-men-lesbian scene. To me and most oil wrestlers this is not the same as a traditional oilwrestling match, where you will be the looser as they rip your pants or show your "meat". I never heard such a nonsence. What makes you think that the oilwrestlers are all gay and a match ends with a straight man to the rescue?

Back to the original question: Does this happen in others sports too?
You say that the "correct" answer is "No, this kind of practice is adnormal because it is simply illegal."

Not because it is illegal or that gays get exited by the sight of sturdy oil wrestlers, just because they use your picture, manupulate them on the computer and say: "Look, it is ART" and they added an enourmous penis hanging out of the kisbet (leather pants).

No matter what you think about gay/not gay, how would you feel that you were pictured during a public sportmatch and find yourself heavy manipulated back in one of those filthy magazines between guys involved in things like "fistfucking" and "rimming party".

You say that people who do not consider this normal have no right to think so. Well I do think so. But we never burned witches in our villages. Burning witches was a christian activity.

Yes, I can swear that I have never read a porn mag in my entire life! Exept ones, when I was told I was in there as "Meaty Murat".

Just going in such a "bookshop" and ask for that magazine was a complete new experiment to me. I´m not used to this kind of things. In my village we lack te possibilities to hang around with pimps or travestites. What we had and have was TRADITIONAL oilwrestling. For centuries the place where the STRONGEST men compete. I consider myself to be lucky that we do not have a "bookshop" in our village where that magazine is sold.

That has nothing to do with gay or so, but with honour and the tradition of our sport. I think that it is heavy bad when people make "art" of my pictures in this manor.

If you do not understand all these thinks, why don´t you turn back to you OWN TRADITION and hunt for more witches for your "entertainment".

I will not say what I will do whenever I get hands on the guy who pictured and manipulated me to "Meaty Murat" me this evening. Do not worry, I will not burn him.

Thank you for reading,
Murat.

Huh ???!!!

ck1 on 4/2/01:

First of all, I was not address my post to YOU personally and I only responded to what I read in the English version of this thread. I had no idea they made you a HUNK and all.

However, you are missing the whole point !
The boxing girls and the beach thing are just examples. They could have heads in those photos too ! or instead of boxing, it could happen in a hospital...the sexy female doctor... well we don't have to go there in details. What I was trying to say is PORN just like any story telling will have to take place somewhere (right?!) and the people happen to be related to that "somewhere" will complaint about it because PORN made it dirty... Fine ! You can yell PORN is bad, PORN is wrong since you had never paid for any. But you still have NO RIGHT to judge others on how they choose to live or how to have sex.

Normal !? well... what is normal ? Some people live in the part of the world where water goes into the drain in clockwise direction and the other half of the world house the people experience the opposite. So, which half is the NORMAL world ? If you didn't know that I can swear that is the truth ! I am not trying to tell you more NONSENSE. By the way, I have never said all oilwrestlers are gay. Where did you see that ?

I can understand that could be a terrible experience. If that happened to me ? Two possibilities: ONE: I will gladly accept my new sex symbol status and have a laugh about it. TWO: I will seek legal action towards the people who are responsible to this horrible act. In the US, many many law firms will sue someone for you without you paying them any fee unless you won the case and they take a big chunk of the money you win from the lawsuit. It might not be the case where you are but I am sure you could find volunteer especially with the help of the internet. So stop bitching and blaming the entire gay community for what happened to you.

OH, the witch burning thing was an example too ! I was actually saying how mentally backward those people are. So it doesn't matter if you are "Christian" or not.

I think you should cut his balls off if you caught that guy who GAVE you the giant penis. If you don't I will because he made you hate every single gay person on earth ! But what if he is not gay ? or what if it's a SHE !? Damn ! I hate to make things complicated to the simple folks.

I am not like that at all as you say

Murat on 4/3/01:

Dear Miss or Mr. CK1.
I am mentally backward because I do not want to be pictured, manipulated and published without knowledge as a porno star? You just want me to be something I am not. I´m a Pehlivan and do not want things to be complicated. I am into sport.
But what on earth made you think that I am bitching and blaming the entire gay community for what happened to me? Or that I hate every single gay person on earth? You know my friends?

not you again !

ck1 on 4/3/01:

Once again, you are taking what I said "personally" !
If you read my first post carefully. I was targeted my "witch burning" (explain to you in my second post as "mentally backward") comment to the people who used words like "freaks", "crazy", "cocksuckers" etc to discribe GAY people in this forum. I wasn't talking about you ! Take a chill pill already Big Guy

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