ISMAILISM, THE HOLY QUR'AN &
THE ISLAMIC HISTORY

Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:13 AM

BISMILLAAHIR RAHMANIIR RAHIIM
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN RAHIM

008.007 AND ALLAH WILLED that He should cause the TRUTH TO TRIUMPH
BY HIS WORDS, and cut theroot of the disbelievers; 008.008 That He might
cause the Truth to triumph and bring vanity tonaught, however much the guilty
might oppose;
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INSHA'ALLAAH THIS WE WILL SEE HEREIN.

PLEASE SHARE COPIES
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to: navali@fcmail.com
subject: preliminary answer to abdul malik a. valla
from: "qari faizullah ;"
date: wed, 10 may 2000 13:56:12 +0500

[full text below, navali]
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dear qari faizullah

salaamun alaykum,

thank you most kindly for forwarding me a copy of your unsolicited but
interesting communication addressed to one "abdul valla" .

although he can and will, i am sure, address your FALSE concerns or frustrations
more adequately, please allow me to give you my 2 cents in this hasty reply
because i am about to leave for overseas again -- in fact, i have just returned from
kenya, east africa.

rest assured, you have expressed nothing new therein. rather, you have merely
echoed AKBARALLY MEHERALLY'S endless anti-islamic and anti-quranic
rhetoric and diatribe -- with more passion, if i may. you have also used his
selective material and language flowered with your words of INSINCERITY
and HYPOCRISY.

hence, i dictate some kind of collusion between yourselves. but then, not only
WILL ALLAH ESTABLISH THE TRUTH BY HIS WORDS but also if HE
has chosen to keep you all -- _B_L_I_N_D_ -- then so be it. here's what
i mean:

you wrote:

>>
Mr.Valla writes:
"Let me begin with your e-mail address. It begins with 'esoteric'
but esoteric is not your path. I have a suggestion that you should
switch from esoteric to exoteric. Your path is exoteric."

We took the ID for our e-mails as Esoteric, ONLY BECAUSE UNDER
THE GARB AND VEIL OF ESOTERIC TEACHINGS, THE UNWARY
FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE FLEECED/ROBBED AWAY OF THEIR
FAITH AND WEALTH AND ARE MISGUIDED.

For example if we consider that verses/Ayats of the Quran has a different
meaning than the evident one, then, the natural corollary to this belief is:
(Nauzobillah) ALLAH, THE PROPHET, AND HIS FOLLOWERS KNOWN
IN THE HISTORY AS ASSHAB-I-RASOOL, INCLUDING HAZRAT ALI,
CHEATED THE UMMAHAL- MUSLIMAH, of their time and for all the times
to come, by conveying, obeying and styling their lives according to the exoteric,
i. e. the evident/Zaheri instructions/meaning of the Quran. Nauzobillah.

[emphasis added, navali]
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NAVALI: believe me, the insatiable akbarally meherally has also
voiced similar arguments for ages now BUT TO NO AVAIL.

regardless, your above allegations tantamount to BELYING Allah, the
Holy Prophet (SAS), Hazrat Ali (as), the Holy Qur'an and the TRUE
ISLAM revealed therein, not to speak of all those who have followed
the NOORANI-- ESOTERIC--INTERPRETATIVE or SUFI ISLAM
for over 14 centuries now.

[snip -- will email/POST part 1 later]
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please allow me to quote you again in this regard, if i may:

i. * if one does not believe in the written book of Allah, the
quran, THEN ONE IS NOT IN THE FOLD OF ISLAM. DO YOU
AGREE? ...

ii. "qari faizullah AND AKBARALLY MEHERALLY,
please tell me whether it is possible to DIGEST SUCH AWKWARD AND
FANTASTIC SITUATION WITHOUT HURTING YOU and other
followers? i do not want to degrade any one of them. on the contrary i pray
to Allah to endow to all of us including the whole of mankind, the ability to
follow the commands of Allah and the practice of the prophet as exemplified
by hazrat ali."
--

now sir, i challenge you to answer your own question, if you will!!!

i. * if one does not believe in the written book of Allah, the quran, THEN
ONE IS NOT IN THE FOLD OF ISLAM. DO YOU AGREE? ...
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on the subject of the Holy Qur'an you wrote:

>>
Our answer can only be BASED ON THE WRITTEN BOOK in the shape
and title of the Quran. IF YOUR ANSWER IS THAT, you have faith in the
Quran the Book of Allah, then, I ask: DO YOU HAVE FAITH that this
written QURAN IS COMPLETE WITHOUT ANY ADDITION OR
OMISSION? OTHERWISE CAN YOU PRODUCE YOUR VERSION
OF COMPLETE QURAN?

IF ANSWER IS YES then I ask whether the ARRANGEMENTS OF THE
SURAHS AND AYATS IS CORRECT? OTHERWISE CAN YOU PRODUCE
YOUR OWN VERSION?
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NAVALI: why are you giving us, innocent VICTIMS a 3rd degree for
MALICIOUS ACTS OF SINS, IMPIETY AND VANDALISM committed
by the majority your ancestors IN THE NAME OF ISLAM, as islamic
history has shown for the past 1350 plus years??

[TO BE CONTINUED ......]
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PART II CONTINUED

allow me to quote AGAIN the following from a NON-ISMAILI MUSLIM
SOURCE in response to your above ridiculous and baseless refutation or
3rd degree.

'ULUM AL-QUR'AN -- an introduction to the sciences
of the qur'an' -- published by THE ISLAMIC FOUNDATION,
LONDON UK. ISBN 0 86037 109 3 & ISBN 0 86037 1328.

page 60 of the aforesaid -- researched compilation from the earliest
islamic sources, mostly SUNNITE -- refers to 'THE ALI MANUSCRIPT,'
which according to various recent non-ismaili and western accounts, is still
in existence!!!!

please note the following important excerpts in this regard:

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http://islamworld.net/UUQ/2.txt

'UTHMAN SENT TO EVERY MUSLIM PROVINCE ONE
COPY OF WHAT THEY HAD COPIED, AND ORDERED**THAT
ALL THE OTHER QUR'ANIC MATERIALS**
WHETHER WRITTEN IN FRAGMENTARY MANUSCRIPTS OR
WHOLE COPIES, __B_E__ _B_U_R_N_T.__
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The Mushaf of Ibn Mas'ud (d. 33/653)

HE WROTE A MUSHAF, IN WHICH SUDRAS
1, 113 AND 114 WERE NOT INCLUDED.
IBN AL-NADIM [38] HOWEVER SAID HE HAD
SEEN A COPY OF THE QUR'AN FROM IBN
MAS'UD WHICH DID NOT CONTAIN AL-FATIHA
(SURA 1).

THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE SURAS DIFFERED
FROM THE 'UTHMANIC TEXT. THE FOLLOWING
IS THE ORDER ATTRIBUTED TO IBN MAS'UD'S
COPY: [39]
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SCRIPT

ALL OLD QUR'ANIC SCRIPT IS COMPLETELY
WITHOUT ANY DIACRITICAL POINTS OR VOWEL
SIGNS AS EXPLAINED ABOVE. ALSO THERE ARE
NO HEADINGS OR SEPARATIONS BETWEEN
THE SSRAS NOR ANY OTHER KIND OF DIVISION,
NOR EVEN ANY FORMAL INDICATION OF THE END
OF A VERSE. SCHOLARS DISTINGUISH BETWEEN
TWO TYPES OF EARLY WRITING:
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NAVALI: READ, REVIEW OR REFUTE THE ABOVE MATERIAL FACTS
NOW, if you wish.

THE MUSHAF OF 'UTHMAN

During the time of 'Uthman differences in reading the
Qur'an became obvious, and after consultation with the
Companions, 'Uthman had a standard copy prepared from
the suhuf of Abu Bakr that were kept with Hafsa at that time.

The following is the report transmitted in the Sahih Bukhari

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came
to 'Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the
people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Arminya and
Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of
Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the
Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthmfin, 'O chief of the Believers!
Save this nation before they differ about the Book
(Qur'an), as Jews and the Christians did before'. So
'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, 'Send us the
manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the
Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the
manuscripts to you'. Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman
then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair,
Sa'id bin Al-'As and 'Abdur Rahman bin Hari-bin
Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.
'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you
disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an,
then write it in the dialect of Quraish as the Qur'an was
revealed in their tongue'. They did so, and when they
had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original
manuscripts to Hafsa.
 

'UTHMANSENT TO EVERY MUSLIM PROVINCE ONE
COPY OF WHAT THEY HAD COPIED, AND ORDERED**THAT
ALL THE OTHER QUR'ANIC MATERIALS**
WHETHER WRITTEN IN FRAGMENTARY MANUSCRIPTS OR
WHOLE COPIES, __B_E__ _B_U_R_N_T.__

Zaid bin Thabit added, 'A verse from Sura al-Ahzab was
missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to
hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and
found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari'. (That
verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have
been true in their convenant xwith Allah' (33: 23). [57]

The following events led to the preparation of the mushaf
of 'Uthman:

- Disputes had arisen among the Muslims about the correct
manner of reciting the Qur'an.
- 'Uthman borrowed the suhuf, which were kept with Hafsa.
- 'Uthman ordered four Companions, among them Zaid
bin Thabit, to rewrite the script in perfect copies.
- 'Uthman sent these copies to the main centres of the
Muslims to replace other materials that were in circulation.
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The Mushaf of Ibn Mas'ud (d. 33/653)

HE WROTE A MUSHAF, IN WHICH SUDRAS
1, 113 AND 114 WERE NOT INCLUDED.
IBN AL-NADIM [38] HOWEVER SAID HE HAD
SEEN A COPY OF THE QUR'AN FROM IBN
MAS'UD WHICH DID NOT CONTAIN AL-FATIHA
(SURA 1).

THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE SURAS DIFFERED
FROM THE 'UTHMANIC TEXT. THE FOLLOWING
IS THE ORDER ATTRIBUTED TO IBN MAS'UD'S
COPY: [39]

[SNIP]

This list is obviously incomplete. It contains only 106 suras
and not 110, as Ibn Nadim wrote.

In Sura al-baqara, which I take as an example, there are a
total of 101 variants. Most of them concern spelling, some also
choice of words (synonyms), use of particles, etc.
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The Mushaf of Ubay bin Ka'b (d. 29 H/649)

He wrote a mushaf, in which two 'additional suras and
another 'additional aya' were reportedly found. [41]

THE ORDER OF THE SURAS IS AGAIN
DIFFERENT FROM 'UTHMAN AS
WELL AS IBN MASUD.

The following is the order of suras in the copy attributed to
Ubay b. Ka'b: [42]
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The Mushaf of Ibn 'Abbas (d. 68H/687)

Ibn 'Abbas also wrote a mushaf, which according to the
Itqan [44] also included the two additional suras which Ubay
had. Again his arrangement of the suras differed from the
other copies. In Sura al-baqara, he has a total of 21 variants,
some of them identical with Ibn Mas'ud and Ubay as well as
other Companions.

Some other Companions

Variants on Sura Al-lkhlas, (112)

Verse Ibn Mas'ud [49] 'Ubaid [50] 'Umar [51]     normal reading by
112:1     qul                 omitted qul     qul                 Ali, Ibn Abbas

al wahid, in place                                                   Anas b. Malik,
of al ahad                                                             Zaid b. Thabit,

                                                                            Ibn al Zubair,

                                                                            Ibn Amr,
112:2 omitted

112:3 lam yulad wa lam                                        Aisha, Salim,
yulid, in place of                                                Umm Salama,
lam yalid wa lam                                                 Ubaid b. Umar
yulad

Even today the variants and synonyms are found in such
copies of the text as are attributed to the Companions and are
of some value to us in the sense that they may have served as
an early rudimentary form of tafsir. For example, according to
some reports the words 'salat al-wusta' (middle prayer) were
read and written by Hafsa, [52] Ubay [53] and Ibn 'Abbas [54] as
'salat al-'asr' (i.e. afternoon prayer).
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NAVALI: HOPE THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR SLANDEROUS
ALLEGATIONS, ACCUSATIONS AND REFUTATIONS ONCE AND
FOR ALL!

BY THE WAY, HAZRAT ALI [AS] HAD A COPY OF HIS OWN AS
INDICATED BELOW:

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http://islamworld.net/UUQ/3.txt

THE 'ALI MANUSCRIPT

Some sources indicate that a copy of the Qur'an
written by the fourth CALIPH 'ALI IS KEPT IN NAJAF,
IRAQ, IN THE DAR AL-KUTUB AL-'ALAWIYA. It is written
in Kufi script, and on it is written: "Ali bin Abi
Talib wrote it in the year 40 of the Hijra'. [21]

21 Attar, D.: Mujaz 'ulum al-qur'an, Beirut 1399/1979,
p. 116
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http://islamworld.net/UUQ/2.txt

THE MASAHIF OF THE COMPANIONS

THERE ARE NUMEROUS INDICATIONS IN THE LITERATURE OF
HADITH THAT SEVERAL OF THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET
HAD PREPARED THEIR OWN WRITTEN COLLECTIONS OF THE
REVELATIONS. [33] The best- known among these are from Ibn
Mas'ud, Ubay bin Ka'b and Zaid bin Thabit. [34]

A LIST OF COMPANIONS OF WHOM IT IS RELATED THAT THEY
HAD THEIR OWN WRITTEN COLLECTIONS INCLUDED THE
FOLLOWING: Ibn Mas'ud, Ubay bin Ka'b, 'ALI, Ibn 'Abbas,
Abu Musa, Hafsa, Anas bin Malik, 'Umar, Zaid bin Thabit, Ibn
Al-Zubair, 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr, 'A'isha, Salim, Umm Salama,
'Ubaid bin 'Umar. [35]

IT IS ALSO KNOWN THAT 'A'ISHA
AND HAFSA HAD THEIR OWN
SCRIPTS WRITTEN AFTER THE
PROPHET HAD DIED. [36]

The following is a very brief description of some of the
masdhif, which are attributed to the Companions of the
Prophet. All the information is based on classical sources. [37]

The Mushaf of Ibn Mas'ud (d. 33/653)

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http://islamworld.net/UUQ/3.txt
 

CHAPTER 3 - The Qur'an in Manuscript and Print- THE QUR'ANIC SCRIPT

EARLY MANUSCRIPTS

Writing Material

Early manuscripts of the Qur'an were typically written on
animal skin. We know that in the lifetime of the Prophet,
parts of the revelation were written on all kinds of materials,
such as bone, animal skin, palm risps, etc. The ink was pre-
pared from soot.

SCRIPT

ALL OLD QUR'ANIC SCRIPT IS COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY
DIACRITICAL POINTS OR VOWEL SIGNS AS EXPLAINED ABOVE.
ALSO THERE ARE NO HEADINGS OR SEPARATIONS BETWEEN THE
SSRAS NOR ANY OTHER KIND OF DIVISION, NOR EVEN ANY
FORMAL INDICATION OF THE END OF A VERSE. SCHOLARS
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TWO TYPES OF EARLY WRITING:

- Kufi, which is fairly heavy and not very dense.
- Hijazi, which is lighter, more dense and slightly inclined

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NAVALI: care to ELABORATE ON OR DENY these vastly researched and
publicized facts?? please pay a visit to any anti-islamic web site on the
internet to verify the aforesaid.

rest assured, gone are the days when the misguided, powerful and
overbearing majority could hide such material facts and also PERSECUTE
the innocent and faithful -- minority in the name upholding and propagating
islam in its pristine purity!!!

now please follow your own advice:

you wrote and i quote:

>>
*valla's answer in ali's words:

"every MISCHIEF MONGER cannot even be reproved." hazrat ali.

yes, mr. valla, hazrat ali is absolutely correct and the GREATEST MISCHIEF
is the REJECTION OF THE COMMANDS OF ALLAH THAT IS AL-QURAN.
hazrat ali obeyed each and every command of Allah. THE MODE OF THIS
OBEDIENCE IS THE PRACTICAL EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET. he styled
his life in accordance of the sunnah of the prophet. he never deviated from the
path of Allah which is codified in the form of quran and the procedural code
of which is the practical example of the prophet. Allah the all mighty may
bless him for his noble conduct, which is very useful example to follow.*
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>>

NAVALI: i would agree with you wholeheartedly -- only if you meant it
and were sincere in your advice and whatever endeavor you have undertaken
in the name of islam -- but i won't.

here's a taste of your own medicine and TEST OF FAITH.

tell us, DID THE HOLY PROPHET (SAS) WORSHIP ALI?
disprove the following hadith, if you believe otherwise!

ahadith:

1. ibn mas'ud says that the prophet said: TO LOOK UPON ALI IS
DEVOTION.

2. ibn asakir on the authority of CALIPH ABU BAKR records the prophet
said: LOOKING UPON ALI IS WORSHIP

[non-ismaili source: 'ali the magnificent, by yousuf n. lalljee [a shia
12er- -ithna'ashari] pp. 251].
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             "ALLAH CREATED ADAM IN HIS PICTURE!"

http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/hadith/bukhari/074.htm

translation of sahih bukhari, book 74:

asking permission

volume 8, book 74, number 246:

narrated abu huraira:

1. THE PROPHET SAID, "ALLAH CREATED ADAM IN HIS PICTURE!"
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if the above is true then in WHOSE SHAPE WAS ADAM CREATED and the
angels commanded to PROSTRATE before him???
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               ALI IS THE REVELATION &
                ETERNAL FACE OF ALLAH:

the holy qur'an:
028.087 and let them NOT DIVERT THEE from THE REVELATIONSOF
ALLAH -- AAYAATILLAAHI -- __A_F_T_E_R__they have been sent
down unto thee; BUT CALL UNTO THY LORD, and be not of those who
ascribe partners.

028.088 and cry not unto any other god along with Allah.
there is no god save him.
everything will perish
SAVE HIS FACE--WAJHAH.
his is the command, and unto him ye will be brought back.

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32.015 only those believe in
I. OUR REVELATIONS-AAYAATIINA --
ii. who, when they are reminded of them,
iii. FALL DOWN PROSTRATE-SUJJADAANW --
iv. and hymn the praise of their lord,
and they are not scornful,
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who/what are THESE REVELATIONS in islam to which PROSTRATION IS
ALSO DUE???

ithna'asharite commentary:
vr. 30 (50) ' wallazeena kafaru wa kazzabu BI-AAYAATINAA -- meaning 'as
for those who disbelieve and belie our signs.' the question arises AS TO WHAT
THE SIGNS OF GOD ARE? the words 'aayaat' has been translated by some
translators as 'the verses' (of the book). it is not a complete meaning. the actual
or the literal meaning of the word 'aayaat' is sign and "aayaat" is the plural of
'aayat.' a sign is an object or an action which draws attention towards some
objective person or event. the verse of the holy qur'an is, no doubt, an' aayat'
in the sense that it draws attention of the reader towards its meaning.

AND GOD'S SIGNS IN THE PERFECT SENSE of the meaning of the word can
be only THOSE BEINGS WHOSE HOLY PERSONALITIES .....

THE BEST AND THE GREATEST AAYAAT OR THE
SIGNS OF GOD ARE THE HOLY PROPHET, HIS HOLY
DAUGHTER FATEMA AND THE ... HOLY IMAMS.

no doubt every apostle of god was during his time a sign of... jesus
in vr. 21:91 is called an 'aayat,' a sign [s. v. mir ahmed ali pp. 94].
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ALI BEING awarded the following epithets exclusively for himself as none
else before or after him could ever have earn any one of them:

12. WAHJULLAH -- THE FACE OF GOD
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
:
1.     al--murtaza -- the chosen one of god
4.     mazharul-ajaib -- the manifester of wonders
8.     asadullaahul ghalib -- the ever victorious lion of god
9.     lisanullaah -- the tongue of god
10.     yadullah -- the hand of god
11.     ainullah -- the eye of god
13.     valiullah -- the friend of god
14.     nafse rasullullah -- the soul of the holy prophet of god
20.     saifullah -- the sword of god     [ibid. pp. 89-90]
:
12. WAHJULLAH -- THE FACE OF GOD
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
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the holy qur'an:
055.026 everyone that is thereon will pass away;
055.027 there remaineth but --
A. THE FACE OF THY _LORD_--WAJHU _RABBII_KA,
B. _ZUL_ -JALAALI WAL-IKRAAM --
_LORD_ OF MIGHT AND GLORY.

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meaning: ALI, THE IMAM (SA) OF THE AGE, IS THAT PRE-
EXISTENT & ETERNAL --WAHJULLAH-- FACE OF GOD --
referred to in the holy qur'an frequently. also please note that the word
'LORD' has been mentioned twice here [_rabbii_ & _zul_ ] in 2 different
contexts. therefore, try and look at the deeper meaning of these divine words.

THE *ZAHIR WAL BAATIN --
MANIFEST AND THE HIDDEN*
ALI:

vr. 27:40 (1699) -- it is recorded in khulasatul manjah of tha'labi who is of the
renowned sunni commentators that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet as
to who that was who presented the queen of sheba on her throne to solomon.

the holy prophet said 'it was none else but
ali-ibne-abi talib and addressing ali,
the holy prophet said

"O' ALI, THOU HAST BEEN HIDDEN
WITH THE APOSTLES OF GOD, PRECEDING ME,
AND WITH ME THOU ART MANIFEST."
(s.v. mir ahmed pp. 1156-57].

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hebrews 7:1 for this MELCHISEDEC, KING OF SALEM, PRIEST--
IMAM of the most high god, who met abraham ... kings, and blessed him;
hebrews 7:2 to whom also abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by
interpretation king of righteousness, AND AFTER THAT ALSO KING OF
SALEM, WHICH IS, KING OF PEACE; hebrews 7:3 without father,
without mother, without descent, HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF
DAYS, NOR END OF LIFE; but made like unto the son of god [divine];
ABIDETH A PRIEST--IMAM CONTINUALLY.
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017.071 on the day when we shall summon all men with their IMAM--
IMAAMihim, whoso is given his book in his right hand - such will read
their book and they will not be wronged a shred. 017.072 whoso is
blind in this--fii haazihii will be blind in the hereafter, AND YET
FURTHER FROM THE ROAD.
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if these scriptures are right then when, how and from
what was the FIRST NON HUMAN *IMAM* CREATED? islamic
traditions say that there have been 124,000 prophets and 100,000 adams
since the beginning of the world.  there were imams during their eras as well.

   the holy prophet (sas) was also guided to
         the religion of an imam [pbuth]:

093.007 did he not find thee wandering and guide (thee) ?

006.161 say: lo! as for me, my lord hath guided me unto:
i.     a straight path--siraatim mustaqiim
ii.     a right religion--diinan-qiyamam
iii.     the religion of abraham [imam]--millata
        ibraahiima the upright, who was no idolater.
006.162 say: lo! my worship and my sacrifice and my living
and my dying are for Allah, lord of the worlds.
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NAVALI: please allow me to quote you again in this regard, if i may:

i. * if one does not believe in the written book of Allah, the
quran, THEN ONE IS NOT IN THE FOLD OF ISLAM. DO YOU
AGREE? ...

ii. "qari faizullah AND AKBARALLY
MEHERALLY, please tell me whether it is possible to DIGEST SUCH
AWKWARD AND FANTASTIC SITUATION WITHOUT HURTING YOU
and other followers? i do not want to degrade any one of them. on the contrary
i pray to Allah to endow to all of us including the whole of mankind, the ability
to follow the commands of Allah and the practice of the prophet as exemplified
by hazrat ali."
--

now sir, i challenge you to answer your own question, if you will!!!

i. * if one does not believe in the written book of Allah, the
quran, THEN ONE IS NOT IN THE FOLD OF ISLAM. DO YOU AGREE? ...

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lakum diinukum--unto you your religion
wa liya diin--and unto me my religion
kaafiruun--disbelievers - surah 109:6


was-salaam,

navali
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/psychic/435/index.html

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to: navali@fcmail.com
subject: preliminary answer to abdul malik a. valla
from: qari faizullah
date: wed, 10 may 2000 13:56:12 +0500

attachments: preliminary answer to mr. abdul malik a. valla.doc
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subject: [fwd: bismillah heer rahman ar- rahim]
date: thu, 16 mar 2000 08:24:45 +0500
from: qari faizullah
organisation: madarsa

subject: bismillah heer rahman ar-rahim
date: wed, 15 mar 2000 13:28:59 -0800
from: "abdul valla"
to:

in response to our article:

adam versus iblis.
sijdah.

mr valla has mailed us a very long letter running into about 40 pages.
we thank mr. valla for the labour he has taken to draft the letter.
the letter consists of oft-repeated shia and ismaili doctrines.
references picked in are mostly without any reference to sources except in case
of quran. the points raised by him have been answered in details by the learned
people like: gazali, ibn-i-taimiya, ibn-i-qaiyum, shah valiullah, shah azizullah, ismail
shah shaheed, in the centuries gone by. in the twentieth century very profuse
literature has been published: a.shakoor lakhnavi has compiled many books in this
field along with a very long debate in the periodicals of 1930s; a, halim sharar;
najmul ghani, nawab mohsin ali khan a converted shia into sunni faith; recently:
professor mahmood ahmed abbasi, professor umar abbasi, allama makki, professor
kirmani, peer allahyar khan, peer akram khan, ehsan elahie zaheer in his arabic
volume of more than 700 pages titled as al-ismailia; imamul hadis habibur rahman
kindelvi in his scores of books; founder of sipah-i-sahaba haq nawaz jangwi;
publications of idarah: swad-i-azam ahl-i-sunnat; khatm-i-nabuwwat; shahid
ubedullah chitrali; faizullah chitrali in his more than 25 works; akber ali
meharali in his irrefutable works and his well documented web; shahid akber
ali ghulam husain an ismaili converted to islam in his book how we became muslims,
these are just a few. our efforts are to propagate islam in its pristine purity
with the basis in quran. it is not our policy to discuss the sectarian doctrines.

by this letter of mr. valla, he appears to be an agakhani ismaili. in
the history this sect is known as khattabiya, memniya, qaramta,
batiniya, ghali, assassins, fatimids, mulahidah, talimiya, sabai, sabi,
hurufiya and such many terms.

if mr. valla wants to discuss his points, we have no objection nor it is
difficult for us as we have just to collect the relevant points and to
copy down. we have most of the works of the above-referred authors in
our library.

we must ascertain first the sources of the various references. let me
take the example of al-quran. i ask to mr. valla to clarify:

do you believe in quran?
if answer is yes then i ask: do you believe in the quran which the
muslim ummah possess in the book shape or he has faith in natiqul quran
i.e. the speaking/talking quran viz. the so called imam aga khan? our
answer can only be based on the written book in the shape and title of
the quran.

if your answer is that, you have faith in the quran the book of Allah,
then, i ask: do you have faith that this written quran is complete
without any addition or omission? otherwise can you produce your version of
complete quran?

if answer is yes then i ask whether the arrangements of the surahs and
ayats is correct? otherwise can you produce your own version?

if one does not believe in the written book of Allah, the quran,
then one is not in the fold of islam. do you agree?

is there any tafseer/commentary of quran by any of the 49 imams? but not by
their dais or missionaries.

is there any work/book of taweel/secret or esoteric version of the quran by
any of the imam? but not by their dais or missionaries. we believe that the
quran, which is with the ummat-i-muslimah, is the only true version of the
quran. we base our works and argument on this quran only.

now let me turn to the letter of mr. valla. he begins with:

bismillah heer rahman ar-rahim.

adam versus iblis.
sijdah.

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