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Posted by Chris on February 25, 1999 at 09:54:02 in 207.99.255.131 :
In Reply to: Re: Something that's Mark-related... posted by Chris on February 25, 1999 at 08:11:42:
: : : : 3. Time Travel. We all have our own opinions on that. But if he were more lax on his rules, he could have opened the door to many new episode ideas.
: : : Weeeelllll, I don't see what's wrong with someone form teh past(Such as Link's ancestor or somehing like that) warpingf into the future, and staying there.
: : That might be fun... but Link's ansestor would have to go back or our modern Link would vanish and we'd wind up with a temporal paradox and a massive headache. Of slightly less risk is if Link went back in time and became his own ancestor. But of course we can't do that because that would deprive us of one of our favorite heros.
: YOu misunderstood. I meant a Link from Kevin's universe either showing up, or warping from Earth's past into the future, not a VideoLand Link of the past.
: : I'd like to point out that in Zelda64, there is no actual time travel, dispite the name 'Ocarina of Time'. His spirit's in limbo, but his body ages normally. In true time travel, the body would arive at the destination time no older than when he left. But do we need something like three stones, an ocarina, and a sword only one person can pull to time travel in the Captain N universe?
: Actually, there was. YOu go back in TIme and become a kid..... well, that was more of warping to the point you were locked away, but same thing,
: : Of course not. All you need is either a time machine, or a time warp.
: : If anyone is not interested in how a time machine or a time warp could possibly work... turn away from the computer monitor now! I'm warning you! This is your last chance!
: : The easiest way a time machine could concivably work would be for it to generate a massive gravity well. Anyone who knows can tell you that gravity will warp space. That's Einstein, fellas! A little relativity for ya. Now- the greater the gravity well, the more space is bent. The sun bends space twice as much as the Earth does. Under normal circumstances, distance is a constant and time is a variable (things in motion have slower clocks than things standing still). But when space is bent, time becomes the constant. By being in motion when a time machine is activated, instead of traveling a certain distance, you'd be traveling a certain time... which is why the time machine in OUATM was in motion everytime it time traveled.
So did the DeLorean in BTTF. It was always in motion when it "Time Jumped". I seemed to have made that mistake with MEGAMAN X: THE WAR OF TIME; when ever X used his Time Slider to "Time Slide", he was standing still when he used it the first few times, then the rest of the tme, he was running. Any idea on how to explain that?
: : How would a machine produce such a massive gravity well, and why don't the occupants become chuncky salsa? Take your average quantum singularity. Very compact, very neat and clean, very gravity intensive. The forced negation of unequal matter will produce such a thing. Get a teeny amount of it going, and vwola! Quantum sungularity... aka... black hole. (Coincidentally- Star Trek TOS called them Black Stars before the phrase Black Hole was even coined) Now, if something falls inward to a big black hole, time slows down for them because since space is nolonger the constant (and time is now the constant) they are now moving through time and not space. Once an object has passed the event horizon (the distance from the center of the hole where everything is pulled in and escape is impossible), it disappears because light from it is no longer able to get to us. So a time machine vannishes because it passes it's own event horizon.
The evidence of that is in ST:V; the second episode of the series, they ran into a quantum sigularity, and time was warped.
: : Okay, if we're using black holes... how do we get out? Here's the tricky part. There are actually things that can escape from a black hole. It's called Hawking Radiation, named after Professor Steven Hawking (the wheelchair guy) who discovered it. It's tricky because it makes no sence. Elementary particles appear and dissappear randomly in the void of space. There is no scientific explanation why they suddenly appear out of nothing in space... though they have figured out they can make these elementary particles by slamming atoms together (big humongious atom smashers, I'm sure you've heard of them). These particles always appear in pairs. When they appear near a black hole, one gets pulled in. It releases enough energy so that the other particle escapes... this is Hawking Radiation. It's real, it's out there... but we still don't know why the particles appear. Because of the energy expenditure of trying to get both particles, but only getting one... the black hole actually shrinks.
: : Eventually, the black hole dies. Now, when a time machine is in full swing, it's warping these particles to it (time is a constant, not space) from all of the history of time. When you stop traveling, the particles can get to the hole and kill off the hole... thus you arive at your set time.
Yeah, it uses up all it's energy.
: : Now... about time warps. They are simpiler. but it takes a little imagination. A line is a 2D dot. A sheet of paper is a 3D line. Space is a 4D piece of paper. If space gradually bends, then we little humans can't tell... just like a bug on a piece of paper can't tell if it's bending gradually. If you stick a pencil through the bend piece of paper, THEN the bug might be able to tell just how close together the two parts of the bent sheet is. The pencil is like a warphole (or wormhole if you're a Trekker). Stick a warp hole through the bend space and WE can tell how close together the two parts of the bent space is. Now lets move the ends around, but keep the warp still. Since the faster something moves, the slower it's clock moves... if the two ends of the warp move at different speeds, you've got time travel.
: : In the warp, speed is the constant, but at the ends, time is the constant. So you travel both distance and time, which is how we get time warps like the ones in OUATM.
Actually, to reach Warp Speeds, speed, energy, and mass must be a constent. THat's Einstein.
: : BTW- time slowing down for something in motion is also Einstein...
