From: ECarver116@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 02:43:10 EST
Subject: Eunice DAY
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Hi James,
Eunice DAY was born on Sept. 4, 1910.
Thanks,
Erica
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:13:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edmunson
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Tom B Atkinson writes:
>do u have anything on ancestors of rhoda
>edmonson- wife of Sampson carver?- just
>checking.
>tom
No, do you?
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:05:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edmunson
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Tom B Atkinson writes:
>jimG- i wrote 500 times jimg, not jimB, so i hope i
>have it right now.
ok but for people not surnamed Brewer, I think
calling them by their surname is better -- e.g.
Atkinson, Green. I've almost never been called Jim.
If you don't like Green, what about JamesG?
>on rhoda- guess i should have said i also have
>nothing.l every once in a while i will look into
>one of the ancestors that i have no info on and
>start looking. I think i am not enhancing the
>redibility of my info when i rely on some of the
>wft cd's out there. we really don't know if the
>info is the work of a very serious searcher, or
>someone who just fills in names with little solid
>sources.
true.
>do i understand u to say you do not have in your
>database the info provided by u in sheila's
>"book"-pp55-59?
No, I have never input them. We have a Coleman
book & Reunion so I got a relative to input those
kin & at the reunion I input into that database on
that cousin's computer & she gives me a copy once a
year, but I only input during the reunion & into her
computer.
>if u would be interested in an illegal conspiracy,
>i could send u my new ver 5.0 ftm- to update. the
>way ftm operates, this would bother me very little-
ok. But I will use it only to look at databases --
not to input into. Web pages keep me busy.
>also i was sent an extra set of vols 15,16+,17. if
>u do not have these, i could also sent u them. i'll
>check and see if i was billed.
I do not have them, whatever they are. Are they FTW
CDs? I have no genealogical CDs.
>tom
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I hate to keep sending these things to y'all, but this one seemed really
apt for our group.
A Sense of a Goose
When you see geese flying along in "V"
formation, you might consider what science
has discovered as to why they fly that way. As
each bird flaps its wings, it creates an uplift for
the bird immediately following. By flying in "V"
formation, the whole flock adds at least 71
percent greater flying range than if each bird
flew on its own.
People who share a common direction and
sense of community can get where they are
going more quickly and easily because they
are traveling on the thrust of one another.
When a goose falls out of formation, it
suddenly feels the drag and resistance of trying
to go it alone - and quickly gets back into
formation to take advantage of the lifting
power of the bird in front.
If we have as much sense as a goose, we will
stay in formation with those people who are
headed the same way we are.
When the head goose gets tired, it rotates
back in the wing and another goose flies point.
It is sensible to take turns doing demanding
jobs, whether with people or with geese flying
south.
Geese honk from behind to encourage those
up front to keep up their speed.
What messages do we give when we honk
from behind?
Finally - and this is important - when a goose
gets sick or is wounded by gunshot, and falls
out of formation, two other geese fall out with
that goose and follow it down to lend help and
protection. They stay with the fallen goose
until it is able to fly or until it dies, and only
then do they launch out on their own, or with
another formation to catch up with their group.
If we have the sense of a goose, we will stand
by each other like that.
By Source Unknown
from Condensed Chicken Soup for the Soul
Copyright 1996 by Jack Canfield, Mark
Victor Hansen & Patty Hansen
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:26:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Geese & Carver web & list
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Kim Gilliard writes:
>...
>I hate to keep sending these things to y'all, but
>this one seemed really apt for our group.
>
>A Sense of a Goose
>
> When you see geese flying along in "V"
> formation, you might consider what science
> has discovered as to why they fly that way. ...
Yes, that does sound like how we need to behave &
especially as we try to work as a group to have web
pages & work toward a list for say Anne Carver & the
ultimate goals of genealogical research & reunions.
Feel free to do web pages for Sampson & his seed.
Maybe we can link them together on the web so they
look like one site -- our site or Sampson's site.
If you want to get us a list at RootsWeb, feel free.
They have in the past wanted a fee from the
listowners but not allowed the listowner to pass the
fee on to the subscribers. It seems fair in light
of the listowner being one of the folks most
interested in the family & list. I assume they'd
sell a list to a family (like Anne Carver) just as
they would to a surname (like Carver). It was about
$24/year & the owner could have 2 lists for that
$24 plus web pages. Unlike GeoCities, I think that
was w/o ads.
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@WorldNet.ATT.Net, MKRousseau@aol.com, JSQ@mids.Org,
JamesWGreen@juno.com, DLQ@Mail.rath.PeachNet.Edu,
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:33:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Maxine Carver Gabennesch / Braswell Guestbook Entry
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Keith Braswell writes:
>Maxine Carver Gabennesch signed the Guestbook on
>11/11/98. mailto:gabennesch@infoave.net
>
>Maxine Carver Gabennesch Comments:
>Descent from Reverend Robert Bracewell 1613-1668
>Smithfield Va.. Grandson Richard 2nd and Ann
>Carver. What specific info available???
>
>The Braswell Family Guestbook
>http://cgi.pbmo.net/braswellguestbook.html
>
>David (Keith) Braswell
>Email address: keith@braswell.org
>2511 Paula Drive
>Web Page: http://www.braswell.org
>West Plains, MO 65775
>mailto:keith@braswell.org
Maxine,
Check my page http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html
We on that web page descend from the same line &
have the same question as you. What is your
lineage?
Anyone wanting to be removed from this group alias,
let me know.
What city do you live in? You probably live near
me since you are using InfoAve.
I will put on the web what documentation I have for
our descent from the bastard William Carver as soon
as I find a moment free. I hope you all will put
what you all have on this subject on your Carver
web page & we can put links between our web pages.
Erica & I were "talking" about a Sampson Carver
reunion one night via AIM & I suggested we should
get Kim to organize it since Kim lives in greater
Douglas, GA. What do you say, Kim? Next summer?
This spring? :) LOL
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From: "Jo Beardsley"
To: "James Green"
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:49:13 -0500
Subject: Reunion
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James,
The Florida descendant of William,son of Sampson, have a reunion each =
year usually February in Wellborn, Florida near Live Oak. Please see =
that they are informed if you decide to hold one. You could contact Glen =
Carver,nelg@isgroup.net.
Thanks,
Jo Beardsley
From: walmaxgabennesch
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:07:34 -0800
Subject: THOSE CARVERS
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James,
Tried to check your web pages but couldn't pull them up. We have only had a
computer three weeks, no training. We are learning from scratch.
I have two lines from Ann and Richard. One line goes from Robert through
two of his children, Isom m. Elizabeth Baldwin and Susannah m. Theophilus
Evans.
The other line goes from William through William (Sampson's bro.) m. Elizabeth
unk.. After that it really gets entangled; Clarissa dau. of William; m.
William R. son of Isom. Brazel son of William m. Betsy Reeves their son
James B. m. Margaret Evans granddaughter of Susannah. Clarissa and
William's son James W. m. Mary Ann Brown their son Jonathon Evans Carver
married Mary Jane Carver daughter of James B. and Margaret Evans. My
Grandmother, Julia Carver, was the daughter of J. E. Carver and Mary J.
Carver. She must have been 99% Carver.
We have quite a bit of info but need to get it organized. Most of it we
got from Bill Fields a Carver-Evans descendant. Last month we stopped in
Smithfield Va. and saw St. Lukes Church where the Rev. Bracewell held
services.
There is a small brass plaque on the left front pew, it has his name on it.
I had 5 of my Grandaddy's serve in War Of The Rebellion 4 served in NC.
State Troops 1 in a Homeguard Unit in Fayetteville. Next week we are going
to Gettysburg, where my Grandaddy Phillips served with the 5th NC. State
Troops, attached to Iverson's Brigade. They were on Pickett' left flank
during the charge. James W. and son Jonathon E. served in Company G 33 NC.
State Troops.
James W. died from disease during the Seven Day Battle of Richmond. His
son Jonathon E. buried him there.
My husband Walter had two of his Grandaddy's serve in Grant's Army of the
Tennessee.
Always remember!! William The Bastard of Normandy became William The
Conqurer of England.
Maxine C. Gabennesch tel. 910 579 1750
7249 Odell St. SW
Ocean Isle Beach, NC 28469
From: Kim Gilliard
To: "James W. Green, III"
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:22:58 -0500
Subject: Reuion
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HI
That's fine with me. Just let me know a good date for all of you & I'll
do what I can.
Kim
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:38:11 -0500
Subject: THOSE CARVERS
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From: walmaxgabennesch
To: jameswgreen@juno.com
Subject: THOSE CARVERS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:11:37 -0800
James,
Tried to check your web pages but couldn't pull
them up. We have only had a computer three weeks,
no training. We are learning from scratch.
I have two lines from Ann and Richard. One line
goes from Robert through two of his children, Isom
m. Elizabeth Baldwin and Susannah m. Theophilus
Evans. The other line goes from William through
William (Sampson's bro.) m.Elizabeth unk.. After
that it really gets entangled; Clarissa dau. of
William; m.William R. son of Isom. Brazel son of
William m. Betsy Reeves their son James B. m.
Margaret Evans granddaughter of Susannah. Clarissa
and William's son James W. m. Mary Ann Brown their
son Jonathon Evans Carver married Mary Jane Carver
daughter of James B. and Margaret Evans. My
Grandmother, Julia Carver, was the daughter of J.
E. Carver and Mary J. Carver. She must have been
99% Carver.
We have quite a bit of info but need to get it
organized. Most of it we got from Bill Fields a
Carver-Evans descendant. Last month we stopped in
Smithfield Va. and saw St. Lukes Church where the
Rev. Bracewell held services. There is a small
brass plaque on the left front pew, it has his name
on it.
I had 5 of my Grandaddy's serve in War Of The
Rebellion 4 served in NC. State Troops 1 in a
Homeguard Unit in Fayetteville. Next week we are
going to Gettysburg, where my Grandaddy Phillips
served with the 5th NC. State Troops, attached to
Iverson's Brigade. They were on Pickett' left
flank during the charge. James W. and son Jonathon
E. served in Company G 33 NC. State Troops. James
W. died from disease during the Seven Day Battle of
Richmond. His son Jonathon E. buried him there.
My husband Walter had two of his Grandaddy's serve
in Grant's Army of the Tennessee.
Always remember!! William The Bastard of Normandy
became William The Conqurer of England.
Maxine C. Gabennesch tel. 910 579 1750
7249 Odell St. SW
Ocean Isle Beach, NC 28469
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@WorldNet.ATT.Net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
JamesWGreen@juno.com, DLQ@Mail.rath.PeachNet.Edu,
ECarver116@AOL.Com,JHB@Gate.Net, kdcl1@Gate.Net,
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gabennesch@InfoAve.Net
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:40:15 -0500
Subject: new Carvers & Reunions
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Carvers,
This letter will be clearer after you read the
next 2 letters. We Carvers are moving fast here
today. The planets must be aligned for Carver research.
:-) I am not into astrology; I was kidding.
Jo, thanks for Glen's address. Glen I have added
you to these discussions because I see you are
also a needed expert. Jo I need your lineage.
Glen & Maxine,
Please go to http://207.167.87.50/~green or
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/
and look for: "3. BRASWELL & CARVER Pages"
and click on it. That should make this email
clearer. May I add you to the Anne Carver chart
you find there?
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:22:58 -0500
Kim Gilliard writes:
>HI
>That's fine with me. Just let me know a good date
>for all of you & I'll do what I can.
>Kim
Thanks, Kim.
So I do not drop the ball, I will just send the
next 2 letters now, without any comment from me.
You all use reply to all or set up group aliases
in your mail facilities so this can be a more
egalitarian discussion. :-) I sound like I am
coping out, but I am excited & busy & somewhat
overwhelmed.
Maxine C. Gabennesch, welcome. You sound like a
Carver expert, having talked to W. C. Fields.
I am not sure I understand your lines correctly.
Are you saying Richard Braswell & Ann Carver had
a son Robert that your descend from thru 2 of
this Robert's kids. Plus you descend a 3rd time
from Richard Braswell & Ann Carver thru their son
William just like us then thru William Jr.
Checking the will of our William who died 1767, I
see our William (d.1767) had a son William so I
will change their names to Wm. Sr. & Jr.
henceforth.
Looks like we need to back up our reunion idea 2
generations to make it a reunion for Ann Carver
rather than her grandson Sampson b.ca. 1755. Maybe
it should be held alternatively in Fayetteville NC?
BTW, how is W. C. Fields? I last saw him in 1976
on my way home from the archives in Raleigh. He
let me spend the night. I was exhausted.
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:40:22 -0500
Subject: "Jo Beardsley" Carver Reunion
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--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: "Jo Beardsley"
To: "James Green"
Subject: Reunion
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:49:13 -0500
James,
The Florida descendant of William,son of Sampson,
have a reunion each year usually February in
Wellborn, Florida near Live Oak. Please see that
they are informed if you decide to hold one. You
could contact Glen Carver,nelg@isgroup.net.
Thanks,
Jo Beardsley
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:53:36 -0500
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Hi James,
Just a quick note to let you know that my home page address for some unknown
reason has changed and the one you have listed on your source page will not
connect them anymore - the new address is exactly the same except for the
addition of "www". Go figure! Anyway here it is:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/
Let me know if you have any problems with this.
Thanks,
Karen :)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:56:08 -0500
Subject: Karen's Carver/Braswell Home Page
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:53:36 -0500
"Karen" writes:
>Hi James,
>Just a quick note to let you know that my home
>page address for some unknown reason has changed
>and the one you have listed on your source page
>will not connect them anymore - the new address is
>exactly the same except for the addition of "www".
>Go figure! Anyway here it is:
>http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/
>
>Let me know if you have any problems with this.
>Thanks, Karen :)
I just made the change & it works fine.
In the text there, I notice:
William Braswell Carver - 1704-1733 - Cumberland
Co., NC
If this is our William (son of Ann Carver & Richard
Braswell) then
1) where does 1733 come from?
2) I think capitalizing surnames would be advisable
(at least when not in a database where
capitalization is done automatically)
3) & I think alternate surnames would be best in
parentheses.
Checking to see who this William 1704-1733 is, I
headed into the web pages. I find only "next
page" is currently working, but found:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/GENE10-0006.html
Everyone needs to have a look at that & many of the
intervening pages. Very good! I appreciate the
effort Karen.
I see on that page:
Children of RICHARD BRASWELL and ANN CARVER are:
7.i. WILLIAM (BRASWELL)7 CARVER b. 1729, Edgecombe
Co., NC d. 1767, Cumberland County, NC.
ii. ROBERT (BRASWELL) CARVER.
iii. DAVID (BRASWELL) CARVER.
iv. RICHARD CARVER/BRASWELL.
v. SARAH CARVER/BRASWELL.
Children of RICHARD BRASWELL & ELEANOR BRYANT are:
vi. RICHARD7 BRASWELL JR. b.1700 Isle of Wight Co,
VA; d.Abt Jan 1772, Edgecombe Co, NC; m. ELIZABETH
vii. SUSANNAH BRASWELL.
viii.PENNY BRASWELL.
I have a lot of trouble with line wrap on Juno so I
mucked with it a bit to make it tighter. Excuse
my mucking, please & you all go to the url.
So all my above comments are thereby made of no
effect, but who is that Wm.1704-1733?
We all need to spend some time reading Karen's
Pages. Karen, keep us up to date on changes there.
Karen, is Carey Bracewell (cbrasul@prismnet.com)
a descendant of Ann Carver? His words make me
think so:
It is one of the principal ironies of Braswell
history that the technical illegitimacy of the
Carver children (and the consequent attempt of
Richard Braswell, Jr. to horn in on the inheritance
of David Carver in the late 1750's) caused this
lineage to be the only one provable by primary
evidence (wills, affidavits, etc.) in all of
eighteenth century North Carolina! All others--my
own included--are cobbled together at least in part
by only circumstantial evidence."
I started to ask about Rich Square assuming it was
in Cumberland Co.
"Richard was legally married to Eleanor Bryant
[sic] when he and his brothers moved from Isle of
Wight County, VA to the vicinity of present Rich
Square, NC around 1715, at the close of the
Tuscarora War.
Checking the NC state road map I see it is in
Northampton Co NC near Halifax Co. Mention of this
Rich Square is new to me. I knew about but had
about forgotten about Halifax/Edgecombe. Was our
location really in what is now Northampton but at
the time Edgecombe? I do not have the maps handy
that are needed to answer that, but hope you know.
I found a typo for you, I think:
The Carver kids had the social option of taking the
nae "Braswell", but chose their mother's name
instead.
I think "nae" is "name". Right?
Karen, you have been hiding your pearl of knowledge!
Great Pages!
--
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From: "Karen"
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:50:08 -0500
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Hi James:
You wrote:
>I just made the change & it works fine.
>
>In the text there, I notice:
>William Braswell Carver - 1704-1733 - Cumberland
>Co., NC
>
>If this is our William (son of Ann Carver & Richard
>Braswell) then
>1) where does 1733 come from?
I have absolutey no idea!!! I must have been looking at something else when
I typed that - I looked all thru my notes and could find nothing like that!
Thanks So MUCH
for pointing that out to me - it has been corrected.
>2) I think capitalizing surnames would be advisable
>(at least when not in a database where
>capitalization is done automatically)
This has also been fixed!
>3) & I think alternate surnames would be best in
>parentheses.
Ditto!
>
>Checking to see who this William 1704-1733 is, I
>headed into the web pages. I find only "next
>page" is currently working, but found:
>
>http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/GENE10-0006.html
>
>Everyone needs to have a look at that & many of the
>intervening pages. Very good! I appreciate the
>effort Karen.
>
>I see on that page:
>
>Children of RICHARD BRASWELL and ANN CARVER are:
>7.i. WILLIAM (BRASWELL)7 CARVER b. 1729, Edgecombe
>Co., NC d. 1767, Cumberland County, NC.
> ii. ROBERT (BRASWELL) CARVER.
>iii. DAVID (BRASWELL) CARVER.
> iv. RICHARD CARVER/BRASWELL.
> v. SARAH CARVER/BRASWELL.
>Children of RICHARD BRASWELL & ELEANOR BRYANT are:
> vi. RICHARD7 BRASWELL JR. b.1700 Isle of Wight Co,
>VA; d.Abt Jan 1772, Edgecombe Co, NC; m. ELIZABETH
>vii. SUSANNAH BRASWELL.
>viii.PENNY BRASWELL.
>
>I have a lot of trouble with line wrap on Juno so I
>mucked with it a bit to make it tighter. Excuse
>my mucking, please & you all go to the url.
>
>So all my above comments are thereby made of no
>effect, but who is that Wm.1704-1733?
Again - see explanation above.
>
>We all need to spend some time reading Karen's
>Pages. Karen, keep us up to date on changes there.
Will do!
>
>Karen, is Carey Bracewell (cbrasul@prismnet.com)
>a descendant of Ann Carver? His words make me
>think so:
>
>It is one of the principal ironies of Braswell
>history that the technical illegitimacy of the
>Carver children (and the consequent attempt of
>Richard Braswell, Jr. to horn in on the inheritance
>of David Carver in the late 1750's) caused this
>lineage to be the only one provable by primary
>evidence (wills, affidavits, etc.) in all of
>eighteenth century North Carolina! All others--my
>own included--are cobbled together at least in part
>by only circumstantial evidence."
I thinks from his mention above "my own included" that he is not directly
descended from Ann Carver. I have e-mailed him to see who his ancestor was
and will let you know.
>
>I started to ask about Rich Square assuming it was
>in Cumberland Co.
>
>"Richard was legally married to Eleanor Bryant
>[sic] when he and his brothers moved from Isle of
>Wight County, VA to the vicinity of present Rich
>Square, NC around 1715, at the close of the
>Tuscarora War.
>
>Checking the NC state road map I see it is in
>Northampton Co NC near Halifax Co. Mention of this
>Rich Square is new to me. I knew about but had
>about forgotten about Halifax/Edgecombe. Was our
>location really in what is now Northampton but at
>the time Edgecombe? I do not have the maps handy
>that are needed to answer that, but hope you know.
I have an old NC county map from 'Eight Edition of the Handy Book for
Genealogists' (unfortunately it dosen't list what year it is) but it shows
that Halifax County is where it is today with Northampton being just above
it and Edgecombe below it - I have also e-mailed Carey about this and will
let you know when he contacts me.
>
>I found a typo for you, I think:
>The Carver kids had the social option of taking the
>nae "Braswell", but chose their mother's name
>instead.
>
>I think "nae" is "name". Right?
This has been corrected also. Thanks!
>
>Karen, you have been hiding your pearl of knowledge!
>Great Pages!
Thank You!
>--
>James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
> home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
> & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:48:22 -0500
Subject: Karen's Carver/Braswell Home Page
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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:50:08 -0500
"Karen" writes:
>Hi James:
>
>You wrote:
>>...
>>In the text there, I notice:
>>William Braswell Carver - 1704-1733 - Cumberland
>>Co., NC
>>...
>>1) where does 1733 come from?
>
>I have absolutey no idea!!! I must have been
>looking at something else when I typed that - I
>looked all thru my notes and could find nothing
>like that! Thanks So MUCH for pointing that out
>to me - it has been corrected.
Maybe Carey or one of our fellow Carvers knows the
source of 1733. Others here have put forth other
dates & places for William Carver (e.g. PA).
>>2) I think capitalizing surnames would be
>>advisable (at least when not in a database where
>>capitalization is done automatically)
>
>This has also been fixed!
>
>>3) & I think alternate surnames would be best in
>>parentheses.
>
>Ditto!
>
>>...
>>We all need to spend some time reading Karen's
>>Pages. Karen, keep us up to date on changes
>>there.
>
>Will do!
>
>>Karen, is Carey Bracewell (cbrasul@prismnet.com)
>>a descendant of Ann Carver? His words make me
>>think so:
>>
>>It is one of the principal ironies of Braswell
>>history that the technical illegitimacy of the
>>Carver children (and the consequent attempt of
>>Richard Braswell, Jr. to horn in on the
>>inheritance of David Carver in the late 1750's)
>>caused this lineage to be the only one provable
>>by primary evidence (wills, affidavits, etc.) in
>>all of eighteenth century North Carolina! All
>>others--my own included--are cobbled together at
>>least in part by only circumstantial evidence."
>
>I thinks from his mention above "my own included"
>that he is not directly descended from Ann Carver.
>I have e-mailed him to see who his ancestor was
>and will let you know.
Thanks.
>>I started to ask about Rich Square assuming it
>>was in Cumberland Co.
>>
>>"Richard was legally married to Eleanor Bryant
>>[sic] when he and his brothers moved from Isle of
>>Wight County, VA to the vicinity of present Rich
>>Square, NC around 1715, at the close of the
>>Tuscarora War.
>>
>>Checking the NC state road map I see it is in
>>Northampton Co NC near Halifax Co. Mention of
>>this Rich Square is new to me. I knew about but
>>had about forgotten about Halifax/Edgecombe. Was
>>our location really in what is now Northampton
>>but at the time Edgecombe? I do not have the
>>maps handy that are needed to answer that, but
>>hope you know.
>
>I have an old NC county map from 'Eight Edition of
>the Handy Book for Genealogists' (unfortunately it
>dosen't list what year it is)
I too have xeroxes from it, but not handy. It's a
book worth having.
>but it shows that Halifax County is where it is
>today with Northampton being just above it and
>Edgecombe below it - I have also e-mailed Carey
>about this and will let you know when he contacts
>me.
Thanks.
>>I found a typo for you, I think:
>>The Carver kids had the social option of taking
>>the nae "Braswell", but chose their mother's name
>>instead.
>>
>>I think "nae" is "name". Right?
>
>This has been corrected also. Thanks!
>
>>Karen, you have been hiding your pearl of
>>knowledge! Great Pages!
>
>Thank You!
ditto
--
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From: "Karen"
To: "James W. Green III"
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:21:09 -0500
Subject: Fw: Your Braswell Line
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James, here is the second e-mail- Karen :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Carey Bracewell
To: Karen
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Your Braswell Line
>Dear Karen,
> I descend from VALENTINE BRASWELL (c.1689-c.1763), son of RICHARD
>BRASWELL (c.1652-1725) and SARAH VALENTINE(?), grandson of the Immigrant
>Ancestor, Rev. ROBERT BRACEWELL (1611-1668). VALENTINE and his wife,
>Quakeress JANE POPE, were progenitors of the Orange County, NC BRASWELL
>clan from which I derive.
>
>Carey
>
>----------
>> From: Karen
>> To: Carey Bracewell-Carver/Braswell Family
>> Subject: Your Braswell Line
>> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:52 AM
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> This is sort of a PS to my last note - just forgot to put it in there!
>> James Green also wanted to know what ancestor of the Braswell line you
>> descended from - I actually never asked you!! I would love to know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Karen :)
From: walmaxgabennesch
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:50:51 -0800
Subject: Siblings: Robert, William, David & Sarah
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James you are correct in your conclusion concerning my descent.
Robert B. & Mary ?'s children were: Isom, Ann, Amelia, Susannah, Elizabeth,
Mary, Margaret. I am sure you have William B.'s children since you
mentioned his will, we have nothing on David B. or Sarah B's offspring.
Ann Carver was named administratrix of the estate of her father WILLIAM
CARVER in Chowan Co., NC. in 1715. He was probably the WILLIAM CARVER who
showed up in Isle of Wight records between 1692 and 1706. His wife was
Jane, daughter of WILLIAM MOORE. Do you have any further information on
the Moores?
All of this info was gathered by Bill Fields about 1981. What new info we
have found concerns the Eighteenth Century Carvers and the Great War. Bill
just was never too interested in that era. Bill hasn't changed or slowed
down much since you saw him in 1976, despite his age and almost being shot
to death last year. Bill is writing a book of Carver-Evans Genealogy hope
he slows down so he can live long enough to finish it.
MAXINE
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:31:07 -0500
Subject: bastard's surnames
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Karen privately,
1st I will cover Old business & then new business.
Old Business.
I hope I am not nagging. I am not sure I was clear
so will risk repeating. On your web page
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/index.html
you have:
"William Braswell CARVER - 1729 - 1767 - Cumberland
Co., NC"
When you do not make Braswell all caps, it looks
like it is just another given name -- a middle name
-- and not his surname. Isn't Braswell just as
much his surname as CARVER is? I think he went by
CARVER so I would put BRASWELL in parentheses.
Perhaps there are more important things for me to
take time with, so just let me know you disagree &
I will move on. Otherwise I will think you
overlooked reading this & have to resend it.
Thanks for fixing his death date.
New Business.
On
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/GENE10-0006.html Ann Carver is the 2nd mate of Richard, right? So,
shouldn't she & her kids be listed after ELEANOR &
her kids. And shouldn't Ann's kids be numbered iv
through viii?
Why are all the names (given names & surnames) in
all caps on
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/GENE10-0006.html ?
Is that something that Family Tree did or something you did?
I suppose it is not worth changing.
There is too much more to do. I was just curious.
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From: June Davidson
To: JamesWGreen@Juno.Com
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:23:39 -0800
Subject: Carver's
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James,
I am a decendant of Vincent Carver, Sr. of Columbia and Suwannee County,
Florida,
Vincent jr, I have a photograph of him and his wife Sernia Johnson,
daughter of Genearl Paxton Johnson of Cloumbia County Florida.
My grandmother was the daughter of Vincent jr.
I have the homestead papers of Vincent jr as he took over the land after
his father died, A family bible of such exist in the family, but does
not go back to Vince Sr. I have been corresponding with Lisa about the
Carvers.
hope to hear from you, would like to submit my data
thanks,
june EMAIL: davidson@cybertron.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:26:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Carver's
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On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:23:39 -0800
June Davidson writes:
>James,
>I am a decendant of Vincent Carver, Sr. of
>Columbia and Suwannee County, Florida,
>Vincent jr, I have a photograph of him and his
>wife Sernia Johnson, daughter of Genearl Paxton
>Johnson of Cloumbia County Florida.
Looking in Huxford Vol.7 page 72 there is Vincent
1836-1916, but he has no son Vincent. Is this a
different set of Vincents? Looking at the Vincent
on pages 72-73, I see no Sernia nor Johnson wife.
>My grandmother was the daughter of Vincent jr.
>I have the homestead papers of Vincent jr as he
>took over the land after his father died, A family
>bible of such exist in the family, but does not go
>back to Vince Sr.
Great!
>I have been corresponding with Lisa about the
>Carvers.
Good! I have added you to my group alias. I hope
others do.
>hope to hear from you, would like to submit my
>data
for my chart of my-Carver-kin online genealogists
on http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html? That would
be great! I am not inputting into a database. I
hope & trust others are. Perhaps thee? I gather
that Karen Denise CLEMENTS LEGGETT is inputting in
FTW as evidenced by
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/index.html
Looking at page 72-73 the kids' spouses include:
"Braz Carver, cousin, son of Sampson".
Who could Braz be? Sampson of Vol.2 has a son
"Sampson B. b.1805 m. (wife unknown)". I have
heard you all suggest that this Sampson B. has the
middle name Brazell or some such. The problem is,
the Braz Carver on page 73 married Rebecca Carver
b.1876, so the man is 71 years older than his wife
if this is a match. Needless to say, Carver
descendants with the given named Brazell, are
strong evidence for our bastard ancestry & evidence
of ancestry is what we seek as genealogists.
See why we need to have the Huxford articles on the
web! You all, was I vague & brief enough to not
bore? :-)
>thanks,
>june EMAIL: davidson@cybertron.com
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From: June Davidson
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:44:09 -0800
Subject: Carver's
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Vince (Vincent) Carver, Jr died in Manatee County, Florida @ the time
period you mention (have his death certificate at home) his father was
Vince (Vincent) Sr, also have the record for Homestead where Vince jr,
continued the application after naming his father Vince as the original
applicant.
The county the homestead was applied for was at Little River, Suwanee
County, Florida ( probably Welbourn as that is where most are buried)
His Vince jr) brother was General Paxton Carver, sister Alderreen
(Algie) Carver and Luther Carver. Algie married my granpa George
Washington Nason, son of William T. Nason and Luegunia Duncan of Ft.
White, Columbia County, Florida.
June
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:12:16 -0500
Subject: Davidson's Vince CARVERs
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Everyone.
June, do not take this personally. I appreciate
you & want more info from you & everyone else. I
will be using your letter as an example of how
badly I need to be spoon fed if I am to progress.
Otherwise it will be too easy for me to be
distracted & attracted over to other ancestral
lines to work on their web pages & reunions.
These will be guide lines for dealing with each
other, I hope.
On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:44:09 -0800
June Davidson writes:
>Vince (Vincent) Carver, Jr died in Manatee County,
>Florida @ the time period you mention (have his
>death certificate at home) his father was Vince
>(Vincent) Sr,
You all (June included) will have to help me if I
am to put June's line in the chart on the web.
The above says Jr. died at the time I mentioned. I
think the only time I mentioned was d.1916 which
is in the title to the article on page 72 of Vol. 7
of Huxford: "CARVER, VINCENT 1826-1916 COFFEE"
and that article makes more contradictions to the
rest of what June says, so I guess Huxford is all
wrong because June has the documentation. But
really I think I am misunderstanding you, June.
If I take Vincent who died 1916 to be June's
Vincent Jr. then
1) Huxford contradicts & says Vincent who d.1916
was not a son of any Vincent but rather James
(unless James had a middle name Vincent or first
name).
2) Huxford says Vincent who d.1916 is buried at
Hebron Church. Now that was shoddy of Huxford. He
did not say if Hebron was in FL or on the moon.
Some of you all know however, right? Coffee Co.
GA? I can not plot stuff on a map on the web if I
do not know exactly where it is. You all may want
to put up your info on your web pages rather than
bothering to try to tell me or snail or email to
me. I will not be offended.
Huxford lists 11 kids for Vincent who d.1916 & none
are named Vincent so I cannot promote Vincent who
d.1916 to being a "Sr.".
If we are to make progress with any sort of speed
you all are going to have to spoon feed me rather
than make me think & make me put my questions into
words. It would help very much if you all make
your lineages clear to me.
I am still waiting for help on the BEARDSLEY & M.K.
ROUSSEAU line in the chart on
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html
N.B. I am not just working on my Carver ancestry.
I have 30 other ancestors that need part of my
days. It is the same with you all I am sure.
Looks like there is lots of good info here for
those that know these Carvers. That is why I am
sending this to all rather than privately to June.
>also have the record for Homestead where Vince jr,
>continued the application after naming his father
>Vince as the original applicant. The county the
>homestead was applied for was at Little River,
>Suwanee County, Florida ( probably Welbourn as
>that is where most are buried) His Vince jr)
>brother was General Paxton Carver, sister
>Alderreen (Algie) Carver and Luther Carver. Algie
>married my granpa George Washington Nason, son of
>William T. Nason and Luegunia Duncan of Ft. White,
>Columbia County, Florida.
>June
If I were inputting into a genealogy program, I'd
need dates. But I am not. I am only putting our
lineages on the web so when we talk to each other
we know what our part of the tree is & thus our
area of expertise. So I do not need info on
siblings, aunts, cousins, etc.
Who all among you are inputting Carver data into a
genealogy program such as Brothers Keeper, PAF,
FTW, Family Origins, ...?
We all need to know what I am doing & what I'm not
doing & how far I am going & how far others are
going. I am only doing web pages & trying to
gather descendants of an ancestor together who have
an email address & an interest in genealogy so that
one day we may get a list, call it Carver-Ann-L,
maybe.
Maybe I need to spoon feed here. A list is a
emailing list with a server on the internet. The
server is software on a foreign host. A foreign
host is a computer on the internet & can be
anywhere on the internet. It is on the internet at
all times just like a server that serves web pages
(a web site). The host runs listserver software
that allows people to email it to sub, unsub, get
files & filelists, & post (which the server emails
to everyone that is subed & files the posts in its
archives). Lists predate the existence of the web.
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In a message dated 11/20/98 11:59:58 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jameswgreen@juno.com
writes:
<< 2) Huxford says Vincent who d.1916 is buried at
Hebron Church. Now that was shoddy of Huxford. He
did not say if Hebron was in FL or on the moon.
Some of you all know however, right? Coffee Co.
GA? >>
James,
Mom said Hebron Church was on the Nichols Highway, near Douglas. Maybe
someone could verify. Been really busy, don't know when we can get up
there.(Douglas)
Thanks,
Erica
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:43:34 -0500
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:35:11 EST
ECarver116@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 11/20/98 11:59:58 PM
>jameswgreen@juno.com writes:
>
> << 2) Huxford says Vincent who d.1916 is buried
> at Hebron Church. Now that was shoddy of
> Huxford. He did not say if Hebron was in FL
> or on the moon. Some of you all know however,
> right? Coffee Co. GA? >>
>
>James,
> Mom said Hebron Church was on the Nichols
>Highway, near Douglas. Maybe someone could
>verify. Been really busy, don't know when we can
>get up there.(Douglas)
>Thanks, Erica
Does anyone know if Vincent Carver 1836-1916 is
buried at that Hebron Church described by Erica
above?
I went to my trailer a few minutes ago to get a
Coffee Co. map & do not find one. Maybe I will
come across a map soon, or someone will send one.
I was going to mark in black Erica's Hebron Ch. on
a map on the web & change it to red when we heard
if that was the church where Vincent is buried.
Well, I can at least mark the location of the grave
of my ancestor Rhoda Carver (see
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html). I found my
USGS 7.5' 1:24K topo quads & found the one (Talmo
1971) that shows that cemetery. Putting it on a
map on my Carver web site may encourage the rest of
you, if I do a good job.
Rhoda Carver is Mrs. Abraham Hargraves so that map
will be of interest to my Hargraves that are online
also.
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From: Tom Atkinson
To: "James W. Green III"
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:03:54 -0500
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J Green- i may be able to go by hebron church in a couple of weeks, if so, i
will try to locate and send you/group any pertinent names in the cemetary.
will look for carver, hargreaves, and my lotts, brewer, byrd, atkinson,
burnham, lancaster, tompkins.
Tom B ATkinson
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:59:21 -0500
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Tom Atkinson writes:
>J Green- i may be able to go by hebron church in a
>couple of weeks, if so, i will try to locate and
>send you/group any pertinent names in the
>cemetary. will look for carver, hargreaves, and
>my lotts, brewer, byrd, atkinson, burnham,
>lancaster, tompkins.
>Tom B ATkinson
Thanks Tom.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:07:44 -0500
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HI
Hebron Church is off the Baker Hwy - Hwy 158 about 11 miles out. It's
between Douglas & Bridgetown. I have some friends that has info on the
cemetery there and others but I will have to get in touch with them.
Kim
James W. Green III wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:35:11 EST
> ECarver116@aol.com writes:
>
> >In a message dated 11/20/98 11:59:58 PM
> >jameswgreen@juno.com writes:
> >
> > << 2) Huxford says Vincent who d.1916 is buried
> > at Hebron Church. Now that was shoddy of
> > Huxford. He did not say if Hebron was in FL
> > or on the moon. Some of you all know however,
> > right? Coffee Co. GA? >>
> >
> >James,
> > Mom said Hebron Church was on the Nichols
> >Highway, near Douglas. Maybe someone could
> >verify. Been really busy, don't know when we can
> >get up there.(Douglas)
> >Thanks, Erica
>
> Does anyone know if Vincent Carver 1836-1916 is
> buried at that Hebron Church described by Erica
> above?
>
> I went to my trailer a few minutes ago to get a
> Coffee Co. map & do not find one. Maybe I will
> come across a map soon, or someone will send one.
> I was going to mark in black Erica's Hebron Ch. on
> a map on the web & change it to red when we heard
> if that was the church where Vincent is buried.
>
> Well, I can at least mark the location of the grave
> of my ancestor Rhoda Carver (see
> http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html). I found my
> USGS 7.5' 1:24K topo quads & found the one (Talmo
> 1971) that shows that cemetery. Putting it on a
> map on my Carver web site may encourage the rest of
> you, if I do a good job.
>
> Rhoda Carver is Mrs. Abraham Hargraves so that map
> will be of interest to my Hargraves that are online
> also.
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To: jameswgreen@juno.com
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:34:05 -0700
Subject: Carvers ?
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Mr Green,
Kim Gilliard gave me your name and asked if my Carver line might be
connected to yours. The oldest record and name of my Carver ancestor
that I have is , Adin Carver born 1782 in McDowell, North Carolina. He
married Nancy (Lindsay)Lindey born 1786 in same. The only child I know of
theirs is William Carver Born 16 July 1808 in McDowell, NC. Would
appreciate it if you would let me know if we might be linked. Thank you,
Debi (Carver) Brooks Ba-bit@juno.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:32:50 -0500
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Kim Gilliard writes:
>HI
>Hebron Church is off the Baker Hwy - Hwy 158 about
>11 miles out. It's between Douglas & Bridgetown.
I could not find Bridgetown on my state road map
or in its index.
Sat, 21 Nov 1998 Erica said:
>>James,
>> Mom said Hebron Church was on the Nichols
>>Highway, near Douglas. Maybe someone could
>>verify.
So I thought it was at least in the Nicholls
direction i.e. east of Douglas. My Wilsonville
USGS topo map says on GA 158 at the left (west)
edge of the map, 7 miles to Douglas so Hebron
should have been on the Wilsonville map if east of
Douglas on GA 158. I also have the Nicholls USGS
topo map & it covers out to about 3/4 of a mile
west of Chatterton where the map says 6 miles to
Douglas.
So not finding Hebron east of Douglas, I concluded
Hebron & Bridgetown must be west of Douglas. I
checked the map in Ward's History of Coffee but saw
no Bridgetown on the map on page 329. If I'd been
paying attention when Kim wrote "Baker Highway" I
would have known it was GA 158 west of Douglas
since Ward shows Baker Hwy. is GA 158 west of
Douglas & Bell Lake Road is GA 158 east of Douglas.
I have heard Bell Lake Rd. before from someone. I
wonder where Bell Lake is & wonder how Baker Hwy.
got its name. Ward's Hist. of Coffee is copyrighted
1930 so these names are older than 1930. I find no
lake labeled Bell Lake on my topos.
Then when I got to this point in writing this email
I found my folder of south GA county maps. I still
do not see Bridgetown. My Coffee County map is the
highway dept.'s 1967 (last revised Oct 29 1968)
map. Perhaps Bridgetown is not in Coffee Co.?
Going west from Douglas on GA 158 I see Indian Cr.,
Bear Cr., St. Illia church, New Zion Church, Reedy
Creek, Forky Creek then turning off 158 left
(south) & crossing Satilla River I come to Heabern
(sic) Church. Heabern looks to be about 1/3 mile
south of GA 158. Is that it?
>I have some friends that has info on the cemetery
>there and others but I will have to get in touch
>with them.
If they have a list of the tombstones & it has lots
of Carvers, I am willing to put it on the web if
they are willing & it is not copyrighted & if you
can email me a soft copy (no hard copy), since I
have no scanner.
Checking Ward's Hist. for Hebron I find on page 19
that Bridgetown is G.M.D. 1804. I see G.M.D. 1804
on my county map so now I know where Bridgetown is
roughly. I suspect it is named for Hebron Bridge
which I suppose is the bridge across the Satilla at
Hebron Church. I see on page 47 that the Vickers
founded & split the church. Grepping in the
genealogies you all sent I see Allen Carver m.
Beadie Vickers & that is Kim & Erica's ancestors.
I have now finished reading the Hebron Ch. History
in Ward's History, page 102 - 104. It lists the
prominent families but Carver is not listed. It
says Hebron is "midway between Douglas &
Willacoochee". That seems to be a stretch since
Heabern Ch. is not on GA 135, but anyway from the
description in Ward's History, I see that Heabern
on the Coffee Co. map must be the Hebron of Ward's
History & probably the church Huxford mentioned
(Vol. 7, page 73) at which Vincent Carver (1836 -
1916) is buried.
I will put the church in black on the map on the
web until I hear if I have marked the right Hebron
Church & if it is where Karen & Kim's Vincent
Carver is buried. N.B. the church split so there
may be 2 buildings.
BTW, I noticed on the web page that Kim descends
from 2 Vincent Carvers.
And I will be getting back to work on explaining
the significance (to Carver) of the places & people
I have marked in red on the maps I put on the web
early this morning.
This letter illustrates how much more interesting a
map is than the "1,000 words" it takes to describe
it. (A picture is worth a thousand words.")
>Kim
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: Emmett_Meeks@EMail.MSN.Com
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:10:33 -0500
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Cousin Emmett,
As I recall you descend from Abraham Hargraves &
his wife Rhoda Carver. I have put up web pages for
Carver. Please go to that web site & have a look.
Be sure to click on the maps until you reach the
bottom (most detailed) map. I will try to work on
that page now. When done, let me know. We need to
talk some more.
I hope I have not been too great of a
disappointment to you.
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From: "Karen"
To: "James W. Green III"
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:56:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Davidson's Vince CARVERs
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Hi James:
Vincent Carver Ricketson died 7-20-1916 near Bushnell, GA and is buried in
Hebron Church Cemetary in Douglas, Coffee Co., GA. He was my grandmother's
(Mattie Jowers) grandfather and she was 12 when he died - my grandmother is
still living and sharp as a tack. His wife, Sarah Ann Tucker is buried with
him. He did not have any children named Vincent (unless it was a middle name
and I don't have all their middle names). His father was James Carver and
mother was Sarah Ricketson and of course he was born prior to their marriage
and kept his mother's maiden name.
Karen :)
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:04:05 -0500
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Carvers,
I have just finished adding the Hebron Church maps
to the Carver maps on
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html
There are now 5 maps that you can reach from the
map on that web page. Now I need to start labeling
the maps & explaining their significance to Carver
on the web pages that hold the maps.
I need you all to mark what other Carver places I
should mark on these maps. To tell me, you all
will need to either use software to mark up the
maps & email them to me or print them & mark them
up & snail the printouts to me.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:49:08 -0500
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"Karen" writes:
>Hi James:
>Vincent Carver Ricketson died 7-20-1916 near
>Bushnell, GA
Vincent's article in Huxford Vol. 7 does not
mention Bushnell. What county is Bushnell in? I
do not see Bushnell in the index of the state road
map. Was he living with one of his kids in
Bushnell?
>and is buried in Hebron Church Cemetary in
>Douglas, Coffee Co., GA.
Please send me a map showing that your Hebron Ch.
is in Douglas. I have marked Hebron Ch. on the
maps at http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html as being
way outside of Douglas. Perhaps you mean the
church gets its mail on a rural route of Douglas &
in that sense is in Douglas?
>He was my grandmother's (Mattie Jowers)
>grandfather and she was 12 when he died - my
>grandmother is still living and sharp as a tack.
>His wife, Sarah Ann Tucker is buried with him. He
>did not have any children named Vincent (unless it
>was a middle name and I don't have all their
>middle names). His father was James Carver and
>mother was Sarah Ricketson and of course he was
>born prior to their marriage and kept his mother's
>maiden name.
June Davidson,
Please give us the Carver lineage of your Vincent
Carver -- i.e. your Vincent Carver's Carver
ancestry so I can add you to our chart on the web.
>Karen :)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:01:20 -0500
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maybe hebron church is in fact on the moon- there are several hebron
churches.
There is a carvers chapel church on road from snipesvill to broxton about 3
mi north of coffee cty line. a few carvers burried there.
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Carvers,
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:01:20 -0500
Tom Atkinson writes:
>maybe hebron church is in fact on the moon-
LOL (laughing out loud)
>there are several hebron churches.
If in or near Coffee Co., we probably need to know
where, just to stay on the straight & narrow.
>There is a carvers chapel church on road from
>snipesvill to broxton about 3 mi north of coffee
>cty line. a few carvers burried there.
Yes I see "Carver Church" labeled on the Coffee
county map just west of US 221,441, GA 31 south of
Douglas. I was reading about it yesterday in
Ward's hist. of Coffee Co. I wish I had permission
to put pages from Ward's on the web. Ward page 109
says (in the article "The Old Carver Church") Among
the old members were: John Carver and family, ...
What is this John's line of descent from Sampson?
You tell me what the names & dates of the Carvers
are & I will put them on the map & add detailed
maps of that area.
You all, please get the tax maps for the area where
your Carver ancestors lived & mark the bounds of
his land & mark his house/s & your Carver-descended
gt...uncles'/aunts', cousins' homes, then xerox
reduce (if needed) & snail to me so I can add the
property lines & homes to the maps. That is where
I am headed with my maps of the Oak Grove Ch. area
of Ware Co. on my/our Carver Pages.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:24:26 -0500
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Emmett forgive me, but I have added you to the
conversation on Carvers. I need your input &
knowledge. This was to be my next conversation
after you looked at the web pages, but I can't wait
any longer. Too much water is going under the
bridge (too much Coffee County Carver info is being
discussed).
As I recall you descend from Rhoda Carver (just as
I do). I saw listed on GA GenWeb's Coffee Co
surnames page, your email address as interested in
Carver.
Let me know if you want to be removed from this Carver conversation. If I hear nothing from you, I will probably assume you want to be included & add
you to the chart on my/our Carver Page.
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James, you are correct on all counts. However, I know very little about the
Carvers. So, I will watch with much interest.
Take care,
Emmett
You wrote:
>Emmett forgive me, but I have added you to the
>conversation on Carvers. I need your input &
>knowledge. This was to be my next conversation
>after you looked at the web pages, but I can't wait
>any longer. Too much water is going under the
>bridge (too much Coffee County Carver info is being
>discussed).
>
>As I recall you descend from Rhoda Carver (just as
>I do). I saw listed on GA GenWeb's Coffee Co
>surnames page, your email address as interested in
>Carver.
>
>Let me know if you want to be removed from this Carver conversation. If
>I hear nothing from you, I
>will probably assume you want to be included & add
>you to the chart on my/our Carver Page.
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There is a Carvers Church south of Douglas on 441 as stated.
It is not the Carvers Chapel I referred to between Broxton and
Snipesville.
I do not know Johnny Carvers connection, but i remember him very well.
perhaps Joyce Hopes daughter(married a carver) who has been posting can
shed
some light on his lineage.She was a classmate of his son, Willard
Carver.
He(johnny) had a store in Broxton and had a large farm about 5 miles
from the carvers chapel. he had a turpentine still, I think, and had
several
share croppers houses on the road to his house. the road was known
locally
as "Carvers quarters road" if i remember.
there are about 20 people burried there, including Johnny and his
daughter,
Betty. I knew her well.
****Please delete the fact Betty was shot and killed by a friends
wife*******
i will look and see if i can find my notes on a visit there during the
past
year.
BTW JGreen- did you find anything of value or new in the information and
programs i
sent you?
Tom B Atkinson
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:20:07 -0500
Subject: Carver,Hebron,Oak Grove churches
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Carvers,
I have put on the 10-mile map Carver, Hebron, Oak
Grove churches, Satilla River, Nicholls,
Willacoochee, & moved some road numbers so I'd have
room to label. That took about 2 or 3 hours. Be
sure to hit reload/refresh when you visit a page
you have been too before so that it loads the
latest one.
I still need to work on the 5-mile map & all the
Hebron maps plus show all maps' relationship to
Carver. Seems like I will never get finished.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:11:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Davidson's Vince CARVERs
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Tom Atkinson writes:
>There is a Carvers Church south of Douglas on 441
>as stated. It is not the Carvers Chapel I
>referred to between Broxton and Snipesville.
Not seeing Snipesville immediately, I had just
figured Snipesville was in Atkinson Co. but too
small to show on the state road map. After
receiving your correction above, I looked around
Broxton on my Coffee Co. map & saw no Snipesville
nor Carvers Chapel. I checked the index to the
state road map & Snipesville was not in the index.
I checked the index to Ward's Hist. of Coffee &
found no Snipesville. Finally I looked on the
state road map & found Snipesville in Jeff Davis
County. For the rest of you (if you do not know),
you will find Snipesville on GA 268 about half way
between Broxton & Hazlehurst.
Since Carvers Chapel is not in Ward's History, is
it in Jeff Davis County? I will plot it on our
maps if some one can find it on a map & snail me a
photocopy of it.
>I do not know Johnny Carvers connection, but i
>remember him very well. perhaps Joyce Hopes
>daughter(married a carver) who has been posting
>can shed some light on his lineage. She was a
>classmate of his son, Willard Carver.
Repeating, Ward's Hist. of Coffee Co. page 109 has
an article titled "The Old Carver CHURCH", in which
it mentions "Among the old members were: John
Carver ..." Tom, is the Johnny you speak of above
the same as John that Ward speaks of relative to
Carver CHURCH? If so then you are talking about
the Carver Church in south Coffee County. It is
essential that we understand each other.
Ignoring Snipesville caused me to be fooled once
today already. :-) Ignoring "Baker Hwy." caused me
to be fooled once a day or 2 ago.
>He (johnny) had a store in Broxton and had a large
>farm about 5 miles from the carvers chapel.
Well that blew my whole theory. Where did I go
wrong? Is Ward calling Carver Chapel, Carver
Church? Or is Johnny not John?
>he had a turpentine still, I think, and had
>several share croppers houses on the road to his
>house. the road was known locally as "Carvers
>quarters road" if i remember.
It would be good to label the road on our map.
>there are about 20 people burried there, including
>Johnny and his daughter, Betty. I knew her well.
We need a listing for the web.
>...
>Tom B Atkinson
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:51:43 -0500
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"Emmett Meeks" writes:
>James, you are correct on all counts.
Including being a disappointment to you?
I am glad you are willing to join the Carver
conversation. Having you on board gives more
justification to talking about the Rhoda Carver
branch of Sampson.
>However, I know very little about the Carvers.
I do not know much either but maybe we can stir
some interest & some folks will go looking for
info. I bet you know of the Carvers from a
different angle from me.
>So, I will watch with much interest.
>
>Take care, Emmett
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To: "James W. Green III"
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:03:08 -0500
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sorry- john and johnny are evidently not the same people. The Johnny carver
was of recent memory.
glad you found snipesville- it is on the Brewer map- my grandmothers (leona
Brewer Girtman) farm is one mile south of it. A very small place.
i will try not to confuse you-sorry.
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As a boy, I knew a Johnny Carver who owned and operated a large farm,
turpentine still and commissary type store northeast of Broxton, Georgia. I
would guess that Johnny might have been born in the very late 1800s or near
1900. If I'm not mistaken, one of his sons presently owns the Holiday Inn
in Douglas.
Emmett Meeks
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Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Davidson's Vince CARVERs
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:17:07 -0500
>Tom Atkinson writes:
>
>>There is a Carvers Church south of Douglas on 441
>>as stated. It is not the Carvers Chapel I
>>referred to between Broxton and Snipesville.
>
>Not seeing Snipesville immediately, I had just
>figured Snipesville was in Atkinson Co. but too
>small to show on the state road map. After
>receiving your correction above, I looked around
>Broxton on my Coffee Co. map & saw no Snipesville
>nor Carvers Chapel. I checked the index to the
>state road map & Snipesville was not in the index.
>I checked the index to Ward's Hist. of Coffee &
>found no Snipesville. Finally I looked on the
>state road map & found Snipesville in Jeff Davis
>County. For the rest of you (if you do not know),
>you will find Snipesville on GA 268 about half way
>between Broxton & Hazlehurst.
>
>Since Carvers Chapel is not in Ward's History, is
>it in Jeff Davis County? I will plot it on our
>maps if some one can find it on a map & snail me a
>photocopy of it.
>
>>I do not know Johnny Carvers connection, but i
>>remember him very well. perhaps Joyce Hopes
>>daughter(married a carver) who has been posting
>>can shed some light on his lineage. She was a
>>classmate of his son, Willard Carver.
>
>Repeating, Ward's Hist. of Coffee Co. page 109 has
>an article titled "The Old Carver CHURCH", in which
>it mentions "Among the old members were: John
>Carver ..." Tom, is the Johnny you speak of above
>the same as John that Ward speaks of relative to
>Carver CHURCH? If so then you are talking about
>the Carver Church in south Coffee County. It is
>essential that we understand each other.
>Ignoring Snipesville caused me to be fooled once
>today already. :-) Ignoring "Baker Hwy." caused me
>to be fooled once a day or 2 ago.
>
>>He (johnny) had a store in Broxton and had a large
>>farm about 5 miles from the carvers chapel.
>
>Well that blew my whole theory. Where did I go
>wrong? Is Ward calling Carver Chapel, Carver
>Church? Or is Johnny not John?
>
>>he had a turpentine still, I think, and had
>>several share croppers houses on the road to his
>>house. the road was known locally as "Carvers
>>quarters road" if i remember.
>
>It would be good to label the road on our map.
>
>>there are about 20 people burried there, including
>>Johnny and his daughter, Betty. I knew her well.
>
>We need a listing for the web.
>>...
>>Tom B Atkinson
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:00:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Davidson's Vince CARVERs
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Tom Atkinson writes:
>...
>****Please delete the fact Betty was shot and
>killed by a friends wife*******
Sounds interesting.
>i will look and see if i can find my notes on a
>visit there during the past year.
Good. Should we then email it to all these
Carvers?
>BTW JGreen- did you find anything of value or new
>in the information and programs i sent you?
>Tom B Atkinson
I appreciate what you sent & they are sitting on my
computer, but I have not looked at them. I
gathered the 3.5" floppy disk was your database
with notes. I was hoping you'd input my family or
double the number of Arthur Brewer's descent before
I tried to put it on the web again. I put a
database of over 3,000 people on Fortune City &
their bot (robot) program running maintenance
deleted it taking it to be file storage. So, I
have been dragging my feet waiting to hear that &
have 2 big databases I have promised to put on the
web (Coleman again & Broom) & these Carvers are
keeping me busy.
The photo is of you in a boat? I would like to
label the photo, so about when was it taken &
where? Thanks.
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:37:34 -0500
Subject: the John/Johnny CARVERs
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Tom Atkinson writes:
>sorry- john and johnny are evidently not the same
>people. The Johnny carver was of recent memory.
Perhaps John Carver is also recent. Ward wrote on
page 109, "The Carver Baptist Church is situated
about 6 miles south of Douglas, Ga. This old
church was built about the close of the Confederate
War. ... Among the old members were: John Carver
..." So my guess is John Carver might have been 30
to 60 in say 1875. That is probably not as recent
as your Johnny Carver.
I still want to know in what county Carvers Chapel
is. Can you snail me a map showing the chapel &
"Carvers quarters road" & Johnny's home? Can
anyone? What is his lineage to Sampson Carver?
>glad you found snipesville- it is on the Brewer map-
Ah, so I see! Snipesville is on my Brewer Web
Pages specifically in
http://emcee.com/~green/Brewer/mm5.html
>my grandmothers (leona Brewer Girtman) farm is one
>mile south of it.
Ah, yes! I did plot that for you a few weeks ago.
Tom & I are kin not only via Carver, but also via
the Brewers to Telfair Co.
>A very small place.
I assume you mean Snipesville is tiny, since
Leona's farm is 1,200 acres & thus not a tiny farm.
>i will try not to confuse you-sorry.
I gather there is little chance of me not getting
confused. :-) If only I can learn to be kind to
you all & not get frustrated.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:44:26 -0500
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You all,
Emmett Meeks & I descend from Rhoda Carver & Abe
Hargraves Sr. I just added him to the Carver
conversation today.
Emmett, thanks for the post to all containing more
info on Johnny Carver. His family should be
contacted by one of us to learn Johnny's lineage to
Sampson. Volunteers to contact "Holiday Inn in
Douglas"?
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hi
I think I can get some of the answer for you tommorow when my mom get's
here. I know she knows Cecil Carver & his family.
Kim
James W. Green III wrote:
> You all,
> Emmett Meeks & I descend from Rhoda Carver & Abe
> Hargraves Sr. I just added him to the Carver
> conversation today.
>
> Emmett, thanks for the post to all containing more
> info on Johnny Carver. His family should be
> contacted by one of us to learn Johnny's lineage to
> Sampson. Volunteers to contact "Holiday Inn in
> Douglas"?
> --
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:41 -0500
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Kim Gilliard writes:
>hi
>I think I can get some of the answer for you
>tommorow when my mom get's here.
Great!
>I know she knows Cecil Carver & his family.
Who is Cecil?
>Kim
>
>James W. Green III wrote:
>
>>... His family should be contacted by one of us
>> to learn Johnny's lineage to Sampson.
>> Volunteers to contact "Holiday Inn in Douglas"?
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Who is Cecil Carver? He is the owner of the Holiday Inn & Days Inn. And
the backbone to Carver's Minit Mart.
Kim
James W. Green III wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:55 -0500
> Kim Gilliard writes:
> >hi
> >I think I can get some of the answer for you
> >tommorow when my mom get's here.
>
> Great!
>
> >I know she knows Cecil Carver & his family.
>
> Who is Cecil?
>
> >Kim
> >
> >James W. Green III wrote:
> >
> >>... His family should be contacted by one of us
> >> to learn Johnny's lineage to Sampson.
> >> Volunteers to contact "Holiday Inn in Douglas"?
> --
> James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
> home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
> & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/
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