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Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:29:21 jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III) Re: CARVER
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Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:08:28 ECarver116@aol.com Re: CARVER
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Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:49:05 jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III) Wm. Carver on web
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Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:09:05 jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III) Erica's CARVERs
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Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:05:18 ECarver116@aol.com Re: Wm. Carver on web
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Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:36:12 jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III) Your lines are on my web page
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Erica posted the following to the Braswell List (to which I am 
subscribed). 

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:35:29 EDT ECarver116@aol.com writes:
>Hi all,
>   I saw some archive discussions and now I am confused.  Some of the 
>info is the same but not all.  Could someone shed some light?  This is what I 
>have: >  William CARVER came in 1682 to Byberry,Pennsylvannia on the ship 
>"Welcome"
>along with his brothers, Joseph, Jacob, John and John's wife Mary.  
>They came
>from St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England and were Quakers.
>William CARVER d. 5/1736  married 1) Joan KINSEYd.1692, 2)Mary ?(my 
>line),
>3)Grace PAXSON CARTER,a widow d.1737.  Children were: Sarah 1), Rachel 
>2),
>William (mine) [3-22-1694] 2), Joseph 2), Rebecca 2), Hester 2), Mary 
>2), and
>Hannah 3).
>
>The next William CARVER d.1759 [will in Dolyestown,PA, Jan/1759]  
>married Mary
>WALMSLEY d.1772.  Children were: Sampsom (mine) b 1750? d. 1840?, 
>William
>b.1753 d. 1836, Samuel, Jesse, Mary, John, Joseph, Jacob, and Henry.
>
>Sampson CARVER married Rhoda EDMONDSON b. 1760. Children were: William 
>b. 1780
>m. Clarissey CARTER, Jesse b. 1786 m. Boissy ?, Elijah b.1799 m. 
>Elizabeth,
>Samuel b.1800 m. Penny, Sampson Brazwell b. 1805, Margaret b.1807 m. 
>1)Calvin
>THIGPEN 2)Moses KIRKLAND,Rhoda b.1812 m. Abraham HARGRAVES, and James 
>b.1776
>
>Jesse CARVER b.1786 d.1860-70 m. Boissy ? b.1795 d. 1855. Children 
>were: John
>B b.1813 m. Nancy, James b.1814 m. 1)Rhoda TUCKER, 2)Sarah RICKETSON, 
>Susan b.
>1815 m. William WRIGHT, Joshua b. 1825, m. Rhoda ALBRITTAN, William 
>b.1831,
>and Sampson b. 1834, m. Jane.
>
>And etc.
>I am from Douglas, Coffee County, GA.  I am now perplexed; we have 
>some of the
>same names but I don't know where to go from here. Sorry for the 
>rambling.
>Please e-mail if you have any ideas; I have compilations of many 
>different
>sources and people.
>Thanks,
>Erica
>ECarver116@aol.com

Well that is a new twist for me.  I have always given my line as:
me->     James Green Jr.>Mamie Roberts>Linnie Spence>
b.1949  b.1914                b.1889               b.1857

Fereby Hargraves>Rhoda Carver>Sampson Carver>
b.1838                   b.1812             b.1755

William Carver(alias Braswell)>Ann Carver>Wm.Carver
d.1767

I'd never heard of this Pennsylvania lineage.  How did you
decide to post to the Braswell List w/o knowing of William
Carver being a bastard of Richard Braswell & Ann Carver?

I guess that is the extra data that is contradictory (or as you
call it, "confusing".)

I fear I am not going to be much help.  I did not do the 
research & have not back checked the lineage (i.e. I have
not been to the archives of VA to verify the line & to see if
I think this is the only possibility.  Evidently it is not the
only possibility since you give a PA line.  A man named
W.C.Fields who lives or lived in Fayetteville NC was my
source 25 years ago.  He said he was not expert, but it
looked to him like my William Carver was a bastard, but
there was no document to prove it.  I supposed that some
prideful relative long ago removed the proof from the 
court house feeling it was a shame that should be 
forgotten.  This is my only ancestor that is thought to be
a bastard so I find him rather interesting.  His supposed
father is even more interesting since he did some 
counterfeiting of coin.  Wouldn't it be a treasure to have
a coin counterfeited by an ancestor!

I assume you descend from Jesse CARVER b.1786?  Then 
who?  I think Jesse CARVER b.1786 is Tom Atkinson's line.  
He's in the cc-line.

Erica, I will add you to my group alias for Carver since
you & those in the cc-line descend from Sampson Carver
of south GA.
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
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In a message dated 10/15/98 9:43:19 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jameswgreen@juno.com
writes:

<< I assume you descend from Jesse CARVER b.1786?  Then 
 who?  I think Jesse CARVER b.1786 is Tom Atkinson's line.  
 He's in the cc-line.
 
 Erica, I will add you to my group alias for Carver since
 you & those in the cc-line descend from Sampson Carver >>

Hi James, 
   Your assumption is correct, I descend fom Jesse CARVER and Boissy?.  Next
is his son James CARVER b.1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that married 1)Rhoda
TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 10-30-1872.
Both are in Osteen Cem.  Children were: Vincent RICKETSON  CARVER b. 1836,
took the name RICKETSON, either born before the marriage or was angry with
dad; Mahulda b. 1838; Jesse b.1839; Boissey b. 1841; Eliza b. 1842; Mariah b.
1845; Allen b. 4-4-1845; Mary b 1844; Martha b. 1844; Matilda b. 1848; James
Jefferson b. 1850; Delilah b. 1855; Sarah b. 1858 married Elijah PURVIS;
Josiah b. 1859 (mine) married  Mary "Polly" Purvis; and Mary Jane b. 1860.
[ I also descend from Jesse CARVER and Sarah RICKETSON on my mother's side
through Allen CARVER that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER that
married Henderson DAY then Eunice DAY that married Benjamin Hoyt HOPE and
their child, Joyce HOPE (my mom) that married Alton CARVER (dad)]it 

Next after James was Josiah CARVER that married Mary "Polly" PURVIS. Then
Daniel CARVER b.10-17-1876 married Mahala MOORE; > Ira CARVER b. 1903 married
Myrtle HESTER > Alton CARVER b. 6-27-1940 married Joyce HOPE b. 11-28-1942 >
then me Erica Leigh CARVER b. 1-16-1969 and my brother Kevin Alton CARVER b.
7-7-76

I learned of your webpage by searching netfind for "Sampson CARVER", it
brought up a list of posts from 1995. Just luck actually.
Thanks,
Erica
ECarver116@aol.com
P.S. I heard somewhere that Sampson CARVER was a Revolutionary War Soldier,
does anyone have documentation. I want to join the DAR, since he is a direct
line descendant.


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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Anyone wanting me to stop writing you about our Carvers,
let me know & I will remove your name from my group alias
for Carver.

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:07:26 -0400 
Your Name  writes:
>...
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA

>  the cuz from douglas who is confused by wm carver should 
>read your transcripton of his will on the brawell site. in it he 
>clearly names the Carvers as his scildren.   i suppose that is 
>accurate and conclusive- refer  her to it for her enlightnment-
>later-- tom

Well, that is a part of the proof, but standing alone as it does,
it is not nearly enough.  

Erica,
The url that Tom is talking about is my web page:
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html  then click on
"3.Will of William CARVER (alias BRASWELL) "

I just checked it with my browser & the document does not 
contain the string "Bras" nor "Brac", so there is no mention of
Braswell land being bequeathed nor of his alias or Braswell 
kin.  Not even a Braswell executor or witness!  So this is not 
helpful in showing that this William was a bastard of the 
Braswells.  Perhaps comparing what he is bequeathing to 
what Braswells had might shed light.  I think he (Wm.) has a 
brother for whom there is more evidence for his being a 
bastard.  I wonder if Ann Carver left a will that helps.

William's will says: "Item. I give and Bequeath to my Son 
Samson Carver, Two negros viz. Bet and Jo and Five Cows 
and Calves five Sows and pigs, One feather Beds and 
furniture, Belonging Thereto, one Still, and the plantation and 
Land I Bought of Richard Dunn in Bladen County, and Two 
horses and Two Breading mairs, to him and his heirs and 
assigns for Ever".  

It seems to me, there are 2 directions to look.  We need to
find a deed where Samson sells the Dunn place & hope it
matches the year he arrives in GA.  It would be very nice
if it says "Samson late of Bladen Co NC but now of Ware or
Appling Co GA".  Some deeds do that.  That would obviously
show that this NC Samson Carver was our Samson Carver.
Locating the Dunn place & putting it on a map on the web
would be wonderful.

Going the other direction, we need to find where William got 
the other land he is giving.  If inherited from his father or 
deeded for love & affection, I'd be very pleased. Since this
will mentions neighbors bordering the bequeathed land, one 
could look up their land & see if Braswells or Carvers were 
neighbors -- a tough job.

I see I have a typo: "Gillils".  Wonder if that is Gillis & the
same Gillis family that traded land with my gt. grands near
the Coffee/Ware line.  Those Gillises are wealthy & might
have a genealogy.  I should check my photocopy of the
will & fix the spelling.

If the kids are named in the will from oldest down & William
followed the naming scheme, then William's dad should be
Samson & not Richard.  There is a Braswell genealogy book
that shows Richard Braswell's mom was Sarah Sampson,
but Nona Williams of Braswell-L says Sarah may have been
born a Valentine rather than Sampson.

I do not know if I have seen Richard Braswell's will.

Now what are the documents for your version of the lineage?
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:08:28 EDT ECarver116@aol.com writes:
>Hi James, 

James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA

>   Your assumption is correct, I descend fom Jesse CARVER 
>and Boissy?.  Next is his son James CARVER b.1814 
>MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that married 
>1)Rhoda TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 
>1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 10-30-1872.  Both are in Osteen Cem. 
>Children were: Vincent RICKETSON  CARVER b. 1836,
>took the name RICKETSON, either born before the marriage 
>or was angry with dad; Mahulda b. 1838; Jesse b.1839; 
>Boissey b. 1841; Eliza b. 1842; Mariah b.1845;
>Allen b. 4-4-1845; Mary b 1844; Martha b. 1844; 
>Matilda b. 1848; James Jefferson b. 1850; Delilah b. 1855; 
>Sarah b. 1858 married Elijah PURVIS; Josiah b. 1859 (mine) 
>married  Mary "Polly" Purvis; and Mary Jane b. 1860.
>[ I also descend from Jesse CARVER and Sarah 
>RICKETSON on my mother's side through Allen CARVER 
>that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER 
>that married Henderson DAY then Eunice DAY that 
>married Benjamin Hoyt HOPE and their child, Joyce HOPE 
>(my mom) that married Alton CARVER (dad)]it 
>
>Next after James was Josiah CARVER that married Mary 
>"Polly" PURVIS. Then Daniel CARVER b.10-17-1876 
>married Mahala MOORE; > Ira CARVER b. 1903 married
>Myrtle HESTER 
> Alton CARVER b. 6-27-1940 married Joyce HOPE b. >
>11-28-1942 >then me Erica Leigh CARVER b. 1-16-1969 
>and my brother Kevin Alton CARVER b.7-7-76
>
>I learned of your webpage by searching netfind for 
>"Sampson CARVER", it brought up a list of posts from 
>1995. Just luck actually.

Does not sound like my web page.

>Thanks,
>Erica
>ECarver116@aol.com
>P.S. I heard somewhere that Sampson CARVER was a 
>Revolutionary War Soldier, does anyone have 
>documentation. I want to join the DAR, since he is a direct 
>line descendant.

Huxford vol.2 says: "Sampson Carver was a faithful 
Revolutionary soldier, as was also 2 or 3 of his brothers in 
Cumberland County."  But to answer your question, I do not
have the documentation (photocopy of record (primary 
source)) on this subject.  I joined SAR on one of my mom's
ancestors back in the 1970s.  Carver is on of my dad's 
ancestors.  Now that our flag is under attack, I am more
interested in joining SCV than supporting patriotism to the
country that seems to be attacking my flag.  I dropped out
of SAR early from boredom.  I got mom in DAR on the same
ancestor & she stuck because she liked the ladies but 
their meeting agenda seemed boring.

I do hope someone can substantiate some of Huxford's
words such as the Rev. War record.  It would make 
Huxford more believable (credible).
--
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Hi James,
   I definitely want to remain on the list. Tom sent me a note last night, it
turns out he went to school with my mom.  I had been given geneological info
that spliced two CARVER lines; I in error continued on that vein until I
lucked up on your webpage.  I've only been searching afew months.  This
lineage is more believable to me.  My mistake was having William CARVER
married to Mary WALMSLEY not Mary WILSON. The dates were similar as well as
children's names. Here it the majority of what I sent to Tom. You will be able
to see the rest of my lineage.
	I found a book entitled Geneology of William Carver from
Hertfordshire,England in 1682 by Elias Carver.  It was published in 1903.  The
brothers CARVER ( John, William, Jacob, & Joseph) came on the ship "Welcome"
This is the passage of the book that was sent to me as follows:
       "William CARVER was born in England and came to Byberry, Philadelphia,
PA.,in 1682.  In the 11th month, 1689 (old style), he married atFriends'
Meeting,  Middletown Twp,Bucks Co.,PA.,Joan KINSEY, a descendent of Chief
Justice KINSEY.  This wife having died, he married at Falls Monthly Meeting,
in 1723,Grace Carter,a widow,whose maiden name was PAXSON,
fromBristol,England.  By her he had but one child,Hannah.  He died at
Byberry,inMay,1736,and she in 1737.  His will was proven,June 2,1736, and
recorded inPhiladelphia in Will Book E,page 369; his widow's will in Will Book
F,page 42,in 1737.  His children are, as shown by his will: 1.Sarah Carver
2.RachelCarver 3. William CARVER b.3-22-1694; m. 10-28-1719,
ElizabethWalmsley, daughter of Henry and Mary Searle, his wife; d. Jan,1759 in
Bucks Co.,PA; will recorded at Doylestown,PA in Will Book No.2,page 353, Jan
30,1759. His widow died in Warwick Twp in 1772. 4. Rebecca Carver 5.Hester
Carver 6. Mary Carver 7.Hannah Carver."

I THINK THAT ASSUMPTION WAS THE MISTAKE. THe rest is  Sampson CARVER b. 1755?
d. 1838? married Rhoda Edmondson d. 1760.  Then I descend fom Jesse CARVER and
Boissy?.  Next is his son James CARVER b.1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that
married 1)Rhoda TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 1814 MontgomeryCo.
d. 10-30-1872.  Both are in Osteen Cem.  Children were: Vincent RICKETSON
CARVER b. 1836, took the name RICKETSON, either born before the marriage or
was angry with dad; Mahulda b. 1838; Jesse b.1839; Boissey b. 1841; Eliza b.
1842; Mariah b. 1845; Allen b. 4-4-1845; Mary b 1844; Martha b. 1844; Matilda
b. 1848; James Jefferson b. 1850; Delilah b. 1855; Sarah b. 1858 married
Elijah PURVIS; Josiah b. 1859 (mine) married  Mary "Polly" Purvis; and Mary
Jane b. 1860.
[ I also descend from Jesse CARVER and Sarah RICKETSON on my mother's side
through Allen CARVER that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER that
married Henderson DAY then Eunice DAY that married Benjamin Hoyt HOPE and
their child, Joyce HOPE (my mom) that married Alton CARVER (dad)]it 

Next after James was Josiah CARVER that married Mary "Polly" PURVIS. Then
Daniel CARVER b.10-17-1876 married Mahala MOORE; > Ira CARVER b. 1903 married
Myrtle HESTER > Alton CARVER b. 6-27-1940 married Joyce HOPE b. 11-28-1942 >
then me Erica Leigh CARVER b. 1-16-1969 and my brother Kevin Alton CARVER b.
7-7-76

Thanks,
Erica,
ECarver116@aol.com
P.S. I downloaded the will you had mentioned, very informnative.


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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:36:12 -0400
Subject: Your lines are on my web page
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All of you now have your Carver lines on my web page along
with the letters wherein you gave me the info.  Now we can
see who each other is.  I hope this gets us to researching.  I 
added my photo & await you all emailing me yours.  Send 
them to JWGreen@Hotmail.Com and let me know here at Juno
when you have emailed me a photo & I will get it & put it on the 
web under your lineage.  You will find I have missing info for 
some of you.  Please send it so I can put it on the web.  I also 
added a counter today which allows me to see what domains 
visit.  Sadly, the "Guest book" needs a place to type a 
message.  Anyway I zeroed the counter.  The 1st of you to 
visit will cause the count to increment from 1 to 2.  I will 
announce the changes in the pages to Braswell-L.

On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:05:18 EDT ECarver116@aol.com writes:
>Hi James,
>   I definitely want to remain on the list. Tom sent me a note last 
>night, it turns out he went to school with my mom.  

So does he have secrets to share with you? :-)  Did they 
date?

>I had been given geneological info that spliced two CARVER 
>lines; I in error continued on that vein until I lucked up on 
>your webpage.  

What I have may be wrong.  In your letter of Oct. 15 you give
the Wm. of PA as having a son "Sampsom (mine) b 1750? d. 
1840"?  I realize there would be no dates for the kids in the 
will.  So where did the dates come from? Huxford's volumes?  
Looking in Vol.2 of Huxford I find the heading gives "1755-
1840" & in the article it says "born .. about 1755 ... died 
about 1838".  One can guess the birth comes from the census 
brackets & perhaps age of eldest child.  Death is from estate 
papers of which I have never gotten photocopies.  Anyone 
who cares about their ancestry would get photocopies.  So, 
I must not care or rather I find I have overlooked running down
copies at Court House or archives.  This Sampson would seem 
more real if I had his land lot/s marked on a map & on the web. 
I am very unhappy that he left us no tombstone.  His daughter 
Rhoda has a fine stone at Oak Grove Holiness Ch., Bickley, 
Ware Co.  (I think it is Ware, but if not then Coffee.  'Tis close 
to the line.)

>I've only been searching afew months.  

And me only since about 1970.  Time slips by & I get nothing
done.  Crackerland is too far.  But I do not even get my work
done here in SC.

>This lineage is more believable to me.  

Why?  Because NC is closer than PA?  Good point.  Huxford 
says Sampson was born in NC & says his father William lived 
in Cumberland Co. NC, but you can't trust Huxford.  I wonder 
if any of Sampson's kids lived to 1880 to tell census where 
Sampson & wife were born.  Have you been looking in 
primary records like the census & in court houses?  There is
where the believable info is to be had.  Maybe we can put 
some primary records on the web relating to our Carvers.  I 
need to get a scanner.

>My mistake was having William CARVER married to Mary 
>WALMSLEY not Mary WILSON. 

Wilson was merely W.C. Fields' wild guess.  Don't keep the
surname, unless you have the primary records to back it up.

>The dates were similar as well as children's names. 

I think Sampson is a rather odd Bible name, not commonly 
given.  This makes that PA family of interest.  Maybe they are 
kin.

>Here it the majority of what I sent to Tom. You will be able
>to see the rest of my lineage.
>   I found a book entitled Geneology of William Carver from
>Hertfordshire,England in 1682 by Elias Carver.  It was 
>published in 1903.  The brothers CARVER ( John, William, 
>Jacob, & Joseph) came on the ship "Welcome" This is the 
>passage of the book that was sent to me as follows:
>  "William CARVER was born in England and came to 
>Byberry, Philadelphia, PA.,in 1682.  

I do not know if this late immigration causes any contradiction.

>In the 11th month, 1689 (old style), 

James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA


I guess that would be Jan 1690 new style.  Note the roman 
numeral in Xber & Xmas.  Though I am not sure if the X in 
Xmas has anything to do with the X in Xber.  Back in the old 
Latin records before we went to NS dates, they sometimes 
abbreviated the months with Roman numerals since Dec 
means 10 and was the 10th month.  Sorry.  I just go on & on.
Perhaps you all knew all that.

>he married atFriends' Meeting,  Middletown Twp, Bucks Co.,
>PA.,Joan KINSEY, a descendent of Chief Justice KINSEY.  
>This wife having died, he married at Falls Monthly Meeting,
>in 1723,Grace Carter,a widow,whose maiden name was 
>PAXSON, fromBristol,England.  By her he had but one child,
>Hannah.  He died at Byberry,inMay,1736,and she in 1737.  
>His will was proven,June 2,1736, and recorded in
>Philadelphia in Will Book E,page 369; his widow's will in Will 
>Book F,page 42,in 1737.  His children are, as shown by his 
>will: 1.Sarah Carver 2.RachelCarver 3. William CARVER 
>b.3-22-1694; m. 10-28-1719, ElizabethWalmsley, daughter 
>of Henry and Mary Searle, his wife; d. Jan,1759 in Bucks 
>Co.,PA; will recorded at Doylestown,PA in Will Book No.2,
>page 353, Jan 30,1759. His widow died in Warwick Twp in 
>1772. 4. Rebecca Carver 5.Hester Carver 6. Mary Carver 
>7.Hannah Carver."
>
>I THINK THAT ASSUMPTION WAS THE MISTAKE. THe 
>rest is  Sampson CARVER b. 1755? d. 1838? married 
>Rhoda Edmondson d. 1760.  Then I descend fom Jesse 
>CARVER and Boissy?.  Next is his son James CARVER b.
>1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that married 1)Rhoda 
>TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 1814 
>MontgomeryCo. d. 10-30-1872.  Both are in Osteen Cem.

We should put this Cem. on a map on the web.  Where is
it?  On the web we could plot on a map the cemeteries 
where each of Sampson's kids are buried & record what 
is on their stones.
  
>Children were: Vincent RICKETSON CARVER b. 1836, took 
>the name RICKETSON, either born before the marriage or
>was angry with dad; Mahulda b. 1838; Jesse b.1839; 
>Boissey b. 1841; Eliza b.1842; Mariah b. 1845; Allen b. 
>4-4-1845; Mary b 1844; Martha b. 1844; Matilda b. 1848; 
>James Jefferson b. 1850; Delilah b. 1855; Sarah b. 1858 
>married Elijah PURVIS; Josiah b. 1859 (mine) married  Mary 
>"Polly" Purvis; and Mary Jane b. 1860.
>[ I also descend from Jesse CARVER and Sarah 
>RICKETSON on my mother's side through Allen CARVER 
>that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER

Huxford called her Boissy not Boyce.  Check the references
to Huxford on my Braswell - Carver Web Page that I updated 
today.  Methinks you should go to your library & xerox those 
pages (if you don't have them), then tell me what is correct 
-- what your sources are for the contradictions.  Notice on
my web page that there are contradictions for Josiah/Joseph 
& Elizabeth/Eliza.  I dropped Fanny from Frances.  I assumed 
that Fanny was just her nickname & I needed the space in 
the chart.  I guess I should cite my sources for Fairiby/Fereba.

>that married Henderson DAY then Eunice DAY that married 
>Benjamin Hoyt HOPE and their child, Joyce HOPE (my mom) 
>that married Alton CARVER (dad)]it 
>
>Next after James was Josiah CARVER that married Mary 
>"Polly" PURVIS. Then Daniel CARVER b.10-17-1876 
>married Mahala MOORE; > Ira CARVER b. 1903 married
>Myrtle HESTER > Alton CARVER b. 6-27-1940 married 
>Joyce HOPE b. 11-28-1942 then me Erica Leigh CARVER 
>b. 1-16-1969 and my brother Kevin Alton CARVER b.7-7-76
>
>Thanks, Erica,
>ECarver116@aol.com
>P.S. I downloaded the will you had mentioned, very 
>informnative.

That reminds me I need to proof read it.
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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In a message dated 10/18/98 4:51:15 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jameswgreen@juno.com
writes:

Is your webpage listed on the Braswell webpage? I do appreciate your efforts,
I am a bit of a greenhorn at this.  Soon I want to go to the Mormon
Geneological Center in Tampa, just trying to pin down counties and such to
help my facilitate my search.

 So does he have secrets to share with you? :-)  Did they 
 date?
 
Haven't heard from Tom as of yet.  They were friends, just she didn't know
they were related.

 >I had been given geneological info that spliced two CARVER 
 >lines; I in error continued on that vein until I lucked up on 
 >your webpage.  
 
 What I have may be wrong.  In your letter of Oct. 15 you give
 the Wm. of PA as having a son "Sampsom (mine) b 1750? d. 
 1840"?  I realize there would be no dates for the kids in the 
 will.  So where did the dates come from? Huxford's volumes?  
 Looking in Vol.2 of Huxford I find the heading gives "1755-
 1840" & in the article it says "born .. about 1755 ... died 
 about 1838".  One can guess the birth comes from the census 
 brackets & perhaps age of eldest child.  Death is from estate 
 papers of which I have never gotten photocopies.  Anyone 
 who cares about their ancestry would get photocopies. 

All my information came from a cousin, we haven't been back to Coffee so I can
ascertain where his info came from.  He didn't have a birthplace for William
but a birthdate of 3-22-1694 (which seemed like a long time before birth of
children).  At the time I had nothing else to go on.  I had the parents, Mary
& William, being the Quaker CARVERS with PA info. and the children of the
North Carolina CARVERS.  
I'll send you copies of some of the info. I have been sent, I'm a terrible
typist. 

 
 >I've only been searching afew months.  
 
 And me only since about 1970.  Time slips by & I get nothing
 done.  Crackerland is too far.  But I do not even get my work
 done here in SC.
 
 >This lineage is more believable to me.  
 
 Why?  Because NC is closer than PA?  Good point.  Huxford 
 says Sampson was born in NC & says his father William lived 
 in Cumberland Co. NC, but you can't trust Huxford.  I wonder 
 if any of Sampson's kids lived to 1880 to tell census where 
 Sampson & wife were born.  Have you been looking in 
 primary records like the census & in court houses?  There is
 where the believable info is to be had.  Maybe we can put 
 some primary records on the web relating to our Carvers.  I 
 need to get a scanner.

Being in the Bible Belt for the last couple hundred years, I couldn't
understand that my CARVER's had been Quaker and travelled all that way from
PA.  I've corresponded with some other CARVER's and all her folks had stayed
in Bucks Co. PA. 
 
 >My mistake was having William CARVER married to Mary 
 >WALMSLEY not Mary WILSON. 
 
 Wilson was merely W.C. Fields' wild guess.  Don't keep the
 surname, unless you have the primary records to back it up.
 
 >The dates were similar as well as children's names. 
 
 I think Sampson is a rather odd Bible name, not commonly 
 given.  This makes that PA family of interest.  Maybe they are 
 kin.
 
 >Here it the majority of what I sent to Tom. You will be able
 >to see the rest of my lineage.
 >   I found a book entitled Geneology of William Carver from
 >Hertfordshire,England in 1682 by Elias Carver.  It was 
 >published in 1903.  The brothers CARVER ( John, William, 
 >Jacob, & Joseph) came on the ship "Welcome" This is the 
 >passage of the book that was sent to me as follows:
 >  "William CARVER was born in England and came to 
 >Byberry, Philadelphia, PA.,in 1682.  
 
 I do not know if this late immigration causes any contradiction.
 
 >In the 11th month, 1689 (old style), 
 
 James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
 
 
 I guess that would be Jan 1690 new style.  Note the roman 
 numeral in Xber & Xmas.  Though I am not sure if the X in 
 Xmas has anything to do with the X in Xber.  Back in the old 
 Latin records before we went to NS dates, they sometimes 
 abbreviated the months with Roman numerals since Dec 
 means 10 and was the 10th month.  Sorry.  I just go on & on.
 Perhaps you all knew all that.
 
 >he married atFriends' Meeting,  Middletown Twp, Bucks Co.,
 >PA.,Joan KINSEY, a descendent of Chief Justice KINSEY.  
 >This wife having died, he married at Falls Monthly Meeting,
 >in 1723,Grace Carter,a widow,whose maiden name was 
 >PAXSON, fromBristol,England.  By her he had but one child,
 >Hannah.  He died at Byberry,inMay,1736,and she in 1737.  
 >His will was proven,June 2,1736, and recorded in
 >Philadelphia in Will Book E,page 369; his widow's will in Will 
 >Book F,page 42,in 1737.  His children are, as shown by his 
 >will: 1.Sarah Carver 2.RachelCarver 3. William CARVER 
 >b.3-22-1694; m. 10-28-1719, ElizabethWalmsley, daughter 
 >of Henry and Mary Searle, his wife; d. Jan,1759 in Bucks 
 >Co.,PA; will recorded at Doylestown,PA in Will Book No.2,
 >page 353, Jan 30,1759. His widow died in Warwick Twp in 
 >1772. 4. Rebecca Carver 5.Hester Carver 6. Mary Carver 
 >7.Hannah Carver."
 >
 >I THINK THAT ASSUMPTION WAS THE MISTAKE. THe 
 >rest is  Sampson CARVER b. 1755? d. 1838? married 
 >Rhoda Edmondson d. 1760.  Then I descend fom Jesse 
 >CARVER and Boissy?.  Next is his son James CARVER b.
 >1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that married 1)Rhoda 
 >TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 1814 
 >MontgomeryCo. d. 10-30-1872.  Both are in Osteen Cem.
 
 We should put this Cem. on a map on the web.  Where is
 it?  On the web we could plot on a map the cemeteries 
 where each of Sampson's kids are buried & record what 
 is on their stones.
 
I'll check with my cousin as to where this Cem. is located.
 >

Children were: Vincent RICKETSON CARVER b. 1836, took 
 >the name RICKETSON, either born before the marriage or
 >was angry with dad; Mahulda b. 1838; Jesse b.1839; 
 >Boissey b. 1841; Eliza b.1842; Mariah b. 1845; Allen b. 
 >4-4-1845; Mary b 1844; Martha b. 1844; Matilda b. 1848; 
 >James Jefferson b. 1850; Delilah b. 1855; Sarah b. 1858 
 >married Elijah PURVIS; Josiah b. 1859 (mine) married  Mary 
 >"Polly" Purvis; and Mary Jane b. 1860.
 >[ I also descend from Jesse CARVER and Sarah 
 >RICKETSON on my mother's side through Allen CARVER 
 >that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER
 
 Huxford called her Boissy not Boyce.  Check the references
 to Huxford on my Braswell - Carver Web Page that I updated 
 today.  
Mom had said she was named Joyce because it was similar to her grandmother
Boyce.  If I'm not mistaken I know where the cemetary is, when I go to GA I'll
check.
 
>that married Henderson DAY then Eunice DAY that married 
 >Benjamin Hoyt HOPE and their child, Joyce HOPE (my mom) 
 >that married Alton CARVER (dad)]it 
 

 >Next after James was Josiah CARVER that married Mary 
 >"Polly" PURVIS. Then Daniel CARVER b.10-17-1876 
 >married Mahala MOORE; > Ira CARVER b. 1903 married
 >Myrtle HESTER > Alton CARVER b. 6-27-1940 married 
 >Joyce HOPE b. 11-28-1942 then me Erica Leigh CARVER 
 >b. 1-16-1969 and my brother Kevin Alton CARVER b.7-7-76
 >
Thanks, 
Erica   Zephyrhills, Florida
ECarver116@aol.com
 

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Hello,
   I looked at the webpage, it looks very nice. I am glad to be a part of it.
My cousin did cite Huxford on the page concerning Sarah RICKETSON and James
CARVER and their children.  It was noted as Pioneers of Wiregrass Co without
the author's name.  Hopefully, I'll get to GA soon to find his other cites.
If you could recommend any books or places to look for documentations I'll
check them out, much appreciated.  
Thanks,
Erica

P.S.  I'm not sure of etiquette where our lineage is concerned (illegitimacy),
can be claim the BRACEWELL/BRASWELL ancestry.  It is the same blood, just not
the same name.  Any enlightenment?  


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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@worldnet.att.net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:22:17 -0400
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:06:05 EDT 
ECarver116@aol.com writes:

>Is your webpage listed on the Braswell webpage? 

Yes, I checked that last night.
Go to the Braswell Page which is
http://www.braswell.org/ and
click on "Braswell Links" & you will see 
http://www.braswell.org/braslink.html  then
click on "James Green III"  takes you to 
http://www.emcee.com/~green

>I do appreciate your efforts, I am a bit of a greenhorn at this.  
>Soon I want to go to the Mormon Geneological Center in 
>Tampa,

N.B. Though I agree that Genealogical should be spelled
as you have it above, it isn't spelled that way.  Misspellings
stop my spelling checker & I have to make a decision to
ignore or correct or add to dictionary.  I'm just hinting that
you spell it right henceforth.. :-)

>just trying to pin down counties and such to help my 
>facilitate my search.
>
>> So does he have secrets to share with you? :-)  Did they 
>> date? 
>
>Haven't heard from Tom as of yet.  They were friends, just 
>she didn't know they were related.
>
>>What I have may be wrong.  In your letter of Oct. 15 you 
>>give the Wm. of PA as having a son "Sampsom (mine) b 
>>1750? d. 1840"?  I realize there would be no dates for 
>>the kids in the will.  So where did the dates come from? 
>>Huxford's volumes?  Looking in Vol.2 of Huxford I find 
>>the heading gives "1755-1840" & in the article it says 
>>"born .. about 1755 ... died about 1838".  One can guess 
>>the birth comes from the census brackets & perhaps age 
>>of eldest child.  Death is from estate papers of which I 
>>have never gotten photocopies.  Anyone who cares 
>>about their ancestry would get photocopies. 
>
>All my information came from a cousin, we haven't been 
>back to Coffee so I can ascertain where his info came from.  

What is the name of your guy cousin?  The references
to him by pronoun below are getting me confused.  

I seem to remember hearing Coffee Co. burned at some point.  
I can't remember if all records or just certain types burned. 
Wonder if any records have been moved to the state archives.  
Let us know about all this.  Ware burned too, but not all 
record types.

In your letter of Oct 15 (now on the web) you said "I am from 
Douglas, Coffee County, GA."  I did not realize that that 
meant that was your home town.  I thought it was your 
current residence.  As a result I thought you were "our 'man' 
on the spot", but in your signature to this letter I see you are 
in FL.  To keep up with who is closest to the research 
centers, I have just put everyone's place of residence (if I 
know it) on the Braswell - Carver Web Page under 
everyone's lineage.  The rest of you could tell me where 
you are.  Perhaps I have some wrong due to moving.

>He didn't have a birthplace for William but a birthdate of 
>3-22-1694 (which seemed like a long time before birth of
>children).  

What is the source of this birth date?  PA Quaker records?

>At the time I had nothing else to go on.  I had the parents, 
>Mary & William, being the Quaker CARVERS with PA info. 
>and the children of the North Carolina CARVERS.  
>
>I'll send you copies of some of the info. I have been sent, 

ok

>I'm a terrible typist. 

>... 
>>>This lineage is more believable to me.  
>> 
>>Why?  Because NC is closer than PA? ...
>
>Being in the Bible Belt for the last couple hundred years, I 
>couldn't understand that my CARVER's had been Quaker 
>and travelled all that way from PA.  I've corresponded with 
>some other CARVER's and all her folks had stayed in Bucks 
>Co. PA. 
> 
>>>... Next is his son James CARVER b.
>>>1814 MontgomeryCo. d. 1882 that married 1)Rhoda 
>>>TUCKER-no kids, then 2) Sarah RICKETSON b. 1814 
>>>MontgomeryCo. d. 10-30-1872.  Both are in Osteen Cem.
> 
>>We should put this Cem. on a map on the web.  Where is
>>it?  On the web we could plot on a map the cemeteries 
>>where each of Sampson's kids are buried & record what 
>>is on their stones.
> 
>I'll check with my cousin as to where this Cem. is located.

I will work on getting some base maps on the web to plot
things on.

>>>...on my mother's side through Allen CARVER 
>>>that married Beady VICKERS, their child Boyce CARVER
> 
>>Huxford called her Boissy not Boyce.  Check the 
>>references to Huxford on my Braswell - Carver Web Page 
>>that I updated today.  
>
>Mom had said she was named Joyce because it was similar 
>to her grandmother Boyce.  If I'm not mistaken I know where 
>the cemetary is, when I go to GA I'll check.
> 
>Thanks, 
>Erica   Zephyrhills, Florida

I see Zephyrhills in the atlas NE of Tampa in Pasco County.

>ECarver116@aol.com
--
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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ECarver116@aol.com writes:

>Hello,
>   I looked at the webpage, it looks very nice. 

Thanks.  I am pleased with the worth of the content on the
page.

>I am glad to be a part of it.

I too am glad you are a part of it & glad you are pleased to be 
on the web.  Some may not be pleased.

>My cousin did cite Huxford on the page concerning Sarah 
>RICKETSON and James CARVER and their children.  It 
>was noted as Pioneers of Wiregrass Co 

"Co"?  You mean "Ga".

>without the author's name.  Hopefully, I'll get to GA soon to 
>find his other cites.  If you could recommend any books or 
>places to look for documentations I'll check them out, much 
>appreciated.  

You may find Huxford's volumes in your local library.  I have
only the 1st 7 volumes.  Though he is dead, his society is
still publishing more volumes.  I am in the pre-pub list in the
back of volumes 6 & 7, for having bought the volumes in
advance of publication.

>Thanks, Erica
>
>P.S.  I'm not sure of etiquette where our lineage is concerned 
>(illegitimacy), can be claim the BRACEWELL/BRASWELL 
>ancestry.  

I have never heard anyone complain about us claiming it.  
It's been too long for anyone to remember what is true & even 
too long for anyone to be left who loves the man we are 
defaming.  Besides, (as Tom Atkinson was saying to me 
today in email), morals are shot today.  Few care about what 
Clinton did because of what they have done in their own 
lives.  So why would anyone care about what their ancestor 
has done that we are defaming.  Richard was in more 
trouble than having 2 families.  He counterfeited money.  You 
spoke of believability.  I find it hard to believe Richard is our 
ancestor.  He is a grandson of Rev. Robt. Braswell but more 
unbelievable, how did his wife allow him to have so many kids 
by one woman -- Anne Carver!  Why would he bother with 
Ann.  I think he had kids by his wife.  I heard some confusion 
on the Braswell-L a year or 2 ago about just who lay with Ann 
Carver.  I think there were 2 Richards.

>It is the same blood, just not the same name.  Any 
>enlightenment?  

I wonder if some of the bastard brothers of William Carver 
kept the Braswell name.  Note in Huxford vol.2 in Sampson
Carver's article he has a son Sampson B. b.1805.  This
Sampson is thus a "Jr." except for his father lacking the
middle initial B.  Or, might this be the alias surname & might 
Sampson Sr. have considered it to be his own middle name?!
Speculation like this ends up turning into facts, so I hope you 
won't repeat the speculation without emphasizing it is mere 
dreaming.  Perhaps others have heard of the Braswell name 
among the kids of Sampson.  I thought I remembered 
something but this is all I could see, looking in Huxford.  
Maybe Tom Atkinson said something or something was said 
on Braswell-L.  Anyone got info?  
--
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Hi James,
  	My cousin that I received the information is Will HOPE, son of  Zelda
CARVER and Ray HOPE, on my mother's side.  Zelda's parents were Vincent "Boy-
Man" CARVER & Mary Jane JOWERS.  Vincent "Boy-Man" CARVER's parents were Allen
CARVER & Beady VICKERS. Of course, Allen's parents were James CARVER & Sarah
RICKETSON.   Will HOPE and I had spoken at my grandmother's funeral of a
mutual interest in family lineage; the occasion didn't present an opportunity
for extensive conversation.  We rarely see each other, but I'll make it a
point now.  My family moved to Zephyrhills, Fl. in 1980.  We go back to
Douglas,roughly 250 miles away, several times a year.
Thanks,
Erica
Zephyrhills, Fl.


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To: jameswgreen@Juno.com
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:56:25 EDT
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In a message dated 10/18/98 8:38:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jameswgreen@juno.com
writes:

<< I wonder if some of the bastard brothers of William Carver 
 kept the Braswell name.  Note in Huxford vol.2 in Sampson
 Carver's article he has a son Sampson B. b.1805.  This
 Sampson is thus a "Jr." except for his father lacking the
 middle initial B.  Or, might this be the alias surname & might 
 Sampson Sr. have considered it to be his own middle name?!
 Speculation like this ends up turning into facts, so I hope you 
 won't repeat the speculation without emphasizing it is mere 
 dreaming.  Perhaps others have heard of the Braswell name 
 among the kids of Sampson.  I thought I remembered 
 something but this is all I could see, looking in Huxford.  
 Maybe Tom Atkinson said something or something was said 
 on Braswell-L.  Anyone got info?   >>

Again, I must check with my cousin, Will HOPE, but this is what he had written
down for the children of Sampson CARVER & Rhoda EDMONDSON.
1) James b.1776
2) William  b.1780; birthplace: Cumberland Co., NC; married Clarissy CARTER
3) Jesse (mine) b. 1786; birthplace: Cumberland Co., NC; married Boisy ?
4) Elijah b.1799; married Elizabeth 
5) Samuel  b.1800; married Penny
6) Sampson Brazwell  b.1805
7) Margaret b.1807; married (1)Calvin THIGPEN (2)Moses KIRKLAND
8) Rhoda b.1812; married Abraham HARGRAVES

Also, does anyone have any information on Anne CARVER, alleged consort of
Richard(3) BRASWELL?


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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@worldnet.att.net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:20:38 -0500
Subject: Erica's source =  Will Hope
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:26:30 EDT 
ECarver116@aol.com writes:

>Hi James,
>My cousin that I received the information is Will HOPE, son 
>of  Zelda CARVER and Ray HOPE, on my mother's side.  
>Zelda's parents were Vincent "Boy-Man" CARVER & Mary 
>Jane JOWERS.  

Why is he called Boy-Man?

>Vincent "Boy-Man" CARVER's parents were Allen CARVER 
>& Beady VICKERS. Of course, Allen's parents were James 
>CARVER & Sarah RICKETSON.   Will HOPE and I had 
>spoken at my grandmother's funeral of a mutual interest in 
>family lineage; the occasion didn't present an opportunity for 
>extensive conversation.  We rarely see each other, but I'll 
>make it a point now.  My family moved to Zephyrhills, Fl. in 
>1980.  We go back to Douglas,roughly 250 miles away, 
>several times a year.

Good.  When I was a minor, we lived in Johnson City TN & 
mom, dad, & I would go about thrice a year to see dad's
parents in Alma, then later in Atlanta, then Nicholls.

>Thanks, Erica
>Zephyrhills, Fl.

Can you all stand the slow down of loading if I add the 
Bonnie Blue Flag (song) or Dixie to the Carver Page?
I'm also willing to add a waving 3rd National Flag of our
nation (stainless banner revised) to the Carver Page.

BTW, if you like the GA flag I think you all should fly
it at home, esp. if you live in GA & want your legislators
to know you want to keep the state flag as it is.  I see
any change to be saying that my ancestors that fought
for GA against the USA were wrong.  That makes me
fighting made to have my ancestors insulted like that!
When NY said they were removing the GA flag from
the collection of state flags flying in their state house,
SC said for NY to remove SC's too.  Then I started flying
GA in the front yard here in SC under the excuse that
dad & I were born in GA.  The black ladies that work 
for us seem ok with GA & the 1st national flying in the
front yard on 17' poles.  I took the GA flag to the 
Hargraves reunion this year & flew it on a 17' pole in 
from of the church.  I almost fell out with my Coleman 
Reunion here in SC this year when they initially told 
me I could not fly 1st & 3rd National at the reunion.  
They relented.

2>From: ECarver116@aol.com
2>To: jameswgreen@Juno.com
2>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:56:25 EDT
2>Subject: Re: Carver Web page
2>
2>In a message dated 10/18/98 8:38:17 PM 
2>!!!First Boot!!!, jameswgreen@juno.com writes:
2>
2><< I wonder if some of the bastard brothers of William Carver 
2> kept the Braswell name.  Note in Huxford vol.2 in Sampson
2> Carver's article he has a son Sampson B. b.1805.  This
2> Sampson is thus a "Jr." except for his father lacking the
2> middle initial B.  Or, might this be the alias surname & might 
2> Sampson Sr. have considered it to be his own middle name?!
2> Speculation like this ends up turning into facts, so I hope you 
2> won't repeat the speculation without emphasizing it is mere 
2> dreaming.  Perhaps others have heard of the Braswell name 
2> among the kids of Sampson.  I thought I remembered 
2> something but this is all I could see, looking in Huxford.  
2> Maybe Tom Atkinson said something or something was said 
2> on Braswell-L.  Anyone got info?   >>
2>

James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA

2>Again, I must check with my cousin, Will HOPE, but this is 
2>what he had written down for the children of Sampson 
2>CARVER & Rhoda EDMONDSON.
2>1) James b.1776
2>2) William  b.1780; birthplace: Cumberland Co., NC; married 
2>      Clarissy CARTER
2>3) Jesse (mine) b. 1786; birthplace: Cumberland Co., NC; 
2>      married Boisy ?
2>4) Elijah b.1799; married Elizabeth 
2>5) Samuel  b.1800; married Penny
2>6) Sampson Brazwell  b.1805


James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA

Ask him a source for Brazwell being the 6th child's middle 
name, please.

2>7) Margaret b.1807; married (1)Calvin THIGPEN (2)Moses 
2>       KIRKLAND
2>8) Rhoda b.1812; married Abraham HARGRAVES
2>
2>Also, does anyone have any information on Anne 
2>CARVER, alleged consort of Richard(3) BRASWELL?

I have Anne's parents.  It is in a little research paper & is
merely speculation.  Not sure if I can find it.  

"Alleged"?? I find Anne to be more believable since it is she 
who gave us the Carver surname & not Richard.  Evidence
for her being our ancestor is that her kids & descendants
used the Carver name right down to thee.
--
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@WorldNet.ATT.Net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 02:55:02 -0400
Subject: Sampson Carver line of Karen Leggett?
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Karen Leggett,
I found you in the RSL (Roots-L Surname List) with this 
interest:
Carver 1755 1916 CumberlandCo,NC>Montgomery,CoffeeCo,GA,USA 
kdcl

I added your entry on my web page under:
"Prospects from the RSL"

How do you descend from Sampson Carver?  You will find the 
rest of our lineages on http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html
I have added you to my group alias.  You and I seem to be 
the only ones obviously from Sampson in the RSL.  Maybe I 
need to look closer.  Do you have a Carver web page?

The rest of you Carvers might want to visit RSL & input your 
ancestors.  I have made a link to RSL from my web Carver 
Braswell page http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html

Erica Carver & I just finished about a 2 or 3 hour typed chat 
at AOL (IM).

She got me looking for Huxford.  I found the society's web 
site & added it to my Carver-Braswell web page.  Please 
check it out.
--
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home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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From: "Karen" 
To: "James W. Green III" 
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:10:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Sampson Carver line of Karen Leggett?
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Hi,

Here is how I'm related to Sampson:

Son, Jesse; then his son James; then his son Vincent who went by the last
name of Ricketson.  He was conceived prior to their marriage and although he
was entitled to go by the Carver name, for whatever reason he choose to go
by his mother's maiden name.  Some of his ten children choose to use Carver
while others kept Ricketson - very confusing!!  His daughter - Eliza
Ricketson - was my great grandmother and married John Darling Jowers.  Their
daughter - Mattie Jowers - is my grandmother.

Check out my home page at:
http://familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/index.html

Oh - be careful of the Huxford info - I ran into a TON of problems with her
information.  There is a lot of info but some of it is word of mouth only
and not verified, and other parts of it were put together by authors
deduction only.  Just make sure you verify everything you find in it with
census records, birth and death certificates, land deeds and any other hard
copy info you can find.  In my search for my Sumner family, there were a lot
of very similar names that cousins shared and the family was so large it's
easy to get onto the wrong track - Huxford had them coming from a completely
different county and upon looking them up in that county found no trace of
them.  Finally after looking in civil war rosters managaged to trace them
back to the correct county - also info on who one Sumner married was
completely incorrect, thus creating another huge ancestor problem.  Just be
careful and verify!!

Here is another Carver cousin: Kim Gilliard - gilliard@alltel.net

I haven't checked out your links yet - was eager to respond to your e-mail
first!  I'm going to go check them out now - I look forward to hearing from
you again!

Karen :)


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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:40:42 -0400
Subject: Karen Leggett's Sampson Carver line on web
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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:10:07 -0400 
"Karen"  writes:
>Hi,
>Here is how I'm related to Sampson:
>
>Son, Jesse; then his son James; then his son Vincent who 
>went by the last name of Ricketson.  He was conceived 
>prior to their marriage and although he was entitled to go 
>by the Carver name, for whatever reason he choose to go
>by his mother's maiden name.  Some of his ten children 
>choose to use Carver while others kept Ricketson - very 
>confusing!!  His daughter - Eliza Ricketson - was my great 
>grandmother and married John Darling Jowers.  Their 
>daughter - Mattie Jowers - is my grandmother.

Thanks.  I have added your lineage to our chart at
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html

>Check out my home page at:
>http://familytreemaker.com/users/l/e/g/Karen-D-Leggett/index.html

That was really good.  I got more data on you there from the 
tree in the big box & added that data to the chart on my web 
page.  The tree being alive (expanding while scrolling) made 
it a little tricky.  I have seen others using FTW on the web.  I 
noticed you stopped your pedigree in the big box with Eliza
Ricketson.  Why?  What is your source for the dates you 
gave on your top web page for William Carver?

>Oh - be careful of the Huxford info - I ran into a TON of 
>problems with her information.  There is a lot of info but 
>some of it is word of mouth only and not verified, and other 
>parts of it were put together by authors deduction only.  

I agree that the Huxford volumes have lots of major errors.
I found this with my Hargreaves.  I suspect the source is
as you say, family legend & deduced guesses.  It makes
me doubt everything in Huxford that I cannot verify.  But 
finding time to go to court houses is a problem & some of 
his info may come from people with family Bibles.  I wonder
if one can find at the Huxford Soc. office Huxford's notes, 
sources, & correspondence on each article.

>Just make sure you verify everything you find in it with
>census records, birth and death certificates, land deeds 
>and any other hard copy info you can find.  In my search 
>for my Sumner family, there were a lot of very similar names 
>that cousins shared and the family was so large it's easy to 
>get onto the wrong track - Huxford had them coming from a 
>completely different county and upon looking them up in that 
>county found no trace of them.  

Huxford had the Hargraves coming from Barnwell Co SC
when they were from Anderson Co SC.  I can't find any 
mention of my Hargraves in Barnwell Co.

>Finally after looking in civil war rosters managaged to trace 
>them back to the correct county - also info on who one 
>Sumner married was completely incorrect, thus creating 
>another huge ancestor problem.  

Yes, convincing folks that you are right & that they have 
believed wrong info for 30 years is hard.  It gets to be like
putting out a fire.  I think Mary's name being Wilson is
such a fire.  I do not know Mary's maiden name.  I just 
have no proof of Wilson.  I think Wilson was W.C. Field's 
conjecture which I put on my pedigree with a ? & mailed 
with correspondence since 1976.  I think people felt they 
needed an ancestor & did not need to worry about the 
question mark.  But I may not be the only source and 
someone may have found proof.  Genealogy is full of GIGO
(Garbage In, Garbage Out).  That is, when one inputs false
info it is garbage & that is what you get out -- the same false
info.  The computer does not improve the info, just makes
the garbage neat & easy to access & print in a variety of 
ways. :-(

>Just be careful and verify!!
>
>Here is another Carver cousin: Kim Gilliard - gilliard@alltel.net

I will write her immediately to see if she'll join us.

>I haven't checked out your links yet - was eager to respond 
>to your e-mail first!  I'm going to go check them out now - I 
>look forward to hearing from you again!

Likewise.  You sound like a researcher.

>Karen :)

Notice in my chart that I have under the name of the online
researcher (e.g. me, James Green) the city where he lives
(e.g. of Winnsboro SC).  This tells each other who is close
to whom & who is close to what repositories.  Therefore, 
please tell us where you live. Thanks.
--
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:52:04 -0400
Subject: Kim Gilliard's Carver lineage?
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Kim Gilliard,
Karen Leggett of Lakeland FL tells me you descend from
our Carvers.  Sampson Carver?  How do you descend
from Sampson?  You will find how we in the to-line 
descend from Sampson at 
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html

Are you interested in genealogy of Sampson Carver?  If not,
let me know.
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: Lois@ChatLink.Com
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:12:12 -0400
Subject: Lois descends from Wm.Carver of Cumberland Co?
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Lois H. Culver,
I saw your entry in the RSL:
Carver       1693  1766 VA?>Cumberland,NC,USA loisc
 loisc    Lois H. Culver, lois@chatlink.com
          840 Mesman Dr., Grants Pass, OR  97527

Mine is:
Carver       1694  1829 VA>CumberlandCo,NC>WareCo,GA,USA green
 green    James W. Green III, AndreasKillian@hotmail.com
          Rte. 5, Box 720, Winnsboro, SC 29180-9566; 803-635-9236

(I've got to get the email address changed back to Juno.)

It looks like we have a match.  What is your Carver 
lineage?  Mine & the others in the cc-line are shown at
http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html

We look forward to hearing what your Carver line is.
--
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From: Kim Gilliard 
To: "James W. Green III" 
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:31:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Kim Gilliard's Carver lineage?
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HI
I'm om my way out the door to go to work.  Do you have ICQ if so my # is
3978124.
Karen's grandmother & my grandfather are sister & brother's.  His name is
Dennis Jowers.  I have 3 ways that I am kin to the Carvers-- my grandma
Jowers was a Carver & so was my mom.
Need to run get back this afternoon.
KIm

James W. Green III wrote:

> Kim Gilliard,
> Karen Leggett of Lakeland FL tells me you descend from
> our Carvers.  Sampson Carver?  How do you descend
> from Sampson?  You will find how we in the to-line
> descend from Sampson at
> http://emcee.com/~green/Bras.html
>
> Are you interested in genealogy of Sampson Carver?  If not,
> let me know.
> --
> James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
> home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
>
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From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@WorldNet.ATT.Net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
	 JamesWGreen@juno.com, DLQ@Mail.rath.PeachNet.Edu,
	 ECarver116@AOL.Com,JHB@Gate.Net, kdcl1@Gate.Net,
	 gilliard@alltel.net
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:11:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Kim Gilliard's Carver lineage?
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:31:04 -0400 
Kim Gilliard  writes:
>HI

>I'm om my way out the door to go to work.  Do you have 
>ICQ if so my # is 3978124.

No.  I am using the external IM (AIM) from AOL.  It is free, 
has private chat rooms & does not need anyone to be a 
member of AOL.  For audible conversation via the internet I 
have IPhone.  I have not used it since I got my new hard 
drive.

>Karen's grandmother & my grandfather are sister & brother's. 
>His name is Dennis Jowers.  I have 3 ways that I am kin to 
>the Carvers-- my grandma Jowers was a Carver & so was 
>my mom.  

If you are interested in continuing to get this Carver 
genealogical email from us, let me know.  Then give me all 
3 lines & I will find a way to put them in the chart on my web 
page.  I am probably not going to remove people from the
chart one I put them in.

>Need to run get back this afternoon.
>KIm

Thanks for your quick response.
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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  21. 
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: TomJax@WorldNet.ATT.Net, MKRousseau@AOL.Com, JSQ@mids.Org,
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:04:01 -0500
Subject: Mirror of my web site
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Due to the following down time of my web site at 
http://emcee.com/~green also called
http://genealogy.org/~green, I have today
mirrored my web sites at 
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362
Please make a permanent note (bookmark) of the 
mirror site at FortuneCity if my pages are important to you.

At genealogy.org=emcee.com, the web and mail servers 
will be down for a couple of hours Sunday afternoon (25 
Oct 1998) for an upgrade; then again for several hours
beginning at approximately 11:00 PM PST.
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home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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  22. 
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:58:41 -0500
Subject: Talking to you Carvers via ICQ
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Last night one of our Carver cousins (Kim) who lives in 
Douglas GA talked me into getting ICQ (used to type 
(chat room style), with 2 or more folks that are online at 
one time).  I found 2 1st cousins on my Carver side (dad's
side) have ICQ.  I left both a message.  No word yet from 
them.  Join us via ICQ or AOL's AIM  both are free & both
have chat rooms.  If you have AOL you do not have AIM
unless you download it.  It is for members & non-members
of AOL.

Tonight one of my genealogical contacts (almost cousin) on 
ICQ suggested I get QTalk (a utility of ICQ) so we could talk 
via mic & speakers.  I did & it worked beautifully between me
and him in FL.  We are using the beta or evaluation software 
for free.  The sound was good.

This got me interested in sound so I made a sound file 
(.wav) of my voice & put it on one of my web pages (not
Carver).  It sounds clear.  It makes the page load a little 
slow since it is 170K.  Maybe I should take up singing on 
my web pages!  :-) LOL

You know, I could put up a page for my parents with
some words from them.  I need a port for my camcorder
so I can add movies to my web pages.

This morning I got dad an email address that he can check
by dialing an 888 (toll free) number, and keying in his 
password & user name (JGreen2) using the number 
equivalents as shown on one's phone (i.e. 5473362).  It 
will read him his email via a voice synthesizer.  I tried it, 
mailing JGreen2... a letter from Juno & then dialing 888... 
& listening.  Also anyone can leave a voice mail 
(recording) for a member such as JGreen2 & it is played 
back when dad calls in.  I tried that too.  Of course that 
was clear while the voice synthesizer was a little weird 
sounding.  Dad hates it without trying it, so I have not 
given anyone the email address.  Maybe some of your 
kin with no computer, might like it.  There is no software 
to download.  You register an account via the web.  

One might consider the registration process a drawback 
since it is for College students & you have to tell them your 
college, major, year of graduation, birth date.  But, I am 
flexible & can provide info, but you all may have more 
scruples than me.  It would be great to send group email
to folks like the Mickelsons, Uncle John, & Aunt Lois at
the same time as you all, via writing one email message 
just as I am doing now when I write just to you all.

If any of you want the necessary info to do ICQ, QTalk, or
email via telephone instead of computer, let me know.
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home:803-635-9236    http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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  23. 
From: "Karen" (by way of Keith Braswell 
	)
To: The Braswell List 
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:55:08 -0600
Subject: Newly  Found Braswell Connection
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Hi, just found out thru my internet search and Jim Green that my Carver line
actually originated from the Braswell line!  Of course that has opened up a
whole new puzzle to finish - joy!!

I have a question -  Did Richard Braswell and Ann Carver ever marry - does
anybody know what their story was?  The personals behind all of the various
family members really interest me - it makes them more real.  In my
particular line (which descended thru William Carver>Sampson Carver>Jesse
Carver>James Carver>Vincent Ricketson>Eliza Ricketson>Mattie Jowers>Nelma
Jackson>ME!) Vincent's last name was actually Carver but he was born before
they were actually married and for some reason choose to keep his mothers
maiden name.  His children either choose Carver or Ricketson - whichever
they wanted.  Interesting -and looks like something like this occurred
previously!

I'm curious to see what the story is - look forward to hearing from you
soon.

Thanks,
Karen :)
kdcl1@gate.net


  24. 
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:39:14 -0500
Subject: Wm.WayneBraswell's book
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Carvers,
I mentioned Wm. Wayne Braswell's little blue hardback 
book, "The Braswell Family" c 1985.  Well I phoned him
tonight (local call) & he said he was sold out.  I did give him
the info (from the Braswell web page) on how to subscribe
to the list & he may subscribe his Juno address.  Since his
Braswell's were from Anson Co NC, he & his book were not
close kin to us.  His ancestor Robt. Braswell b.1677 was a 
brother to our Richard Braswell who married Sarah Crocker
& who also had our (& other) bastards by Ann Carver (so we 
think).  His book on the Anson Co Braswells covered 2 of 
the gt. grandsons of this Robt. b.1677 namely Richard 
Braswell b.1755 & Sampson Braswell b.1757.

I am encouraged in my belief in our Braswell descent by all
Braswells carrying the given name Sampson & the Carvers 
carrying the given name Braswell.

You may recall that our Richard Braswell (supposed father 
of our William Carver), was Richard Jr.  Richard Jr.'s parents
were Richard Braswell Sr. & Sarah Sampson.  The surname
(Sampson) of Sarah is not certain.  One would assume that
our Sampson Carver & Wm. Wayne Braswell's Sampson
Braswell get their given name from that Sarah SAMPSON 
as do many other Braswells.

The said author, Wm. Wayne Braswell b.1926 was a gt.
gt.gt.gt. grandson of Sampson Braswell b.1757 whose 
father was another Richard Braswell Jr. b.1732 who was 
a 2nd cousin of our Sampson Carver b.c.1755, so our 
Sampson Carver & Wm. Wayne's Sampson Braswell b.
1757 are 2nd cousins once removed inspite of being 
supposed to be so close to the same age.

"Karen" , it was good to see your post
today to the Braswell-L.  Let us hear any replies you get.
You might want to send us (via "reply to all") your post 
that you sent to the list.
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  25. 
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:13:46 -0500
Subject: Query about our Carvers
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I just found a query about our William Carver at
http://www.genforum.com/braswell/messages/51.html

>Posted by Lisa Adams (Euphemie@GTe.Net) on 
>October 11, 1998 at 20:46:42:
>
>Can anyone substaniate info I have listing William Braswell 
>Carver b.1729 NC, as the illegitimate son of Ann Carver 
>b.1697 NC and Richard Braswell b.Isle of Wight, VA who 
>is the son of Robert Braswell b.1650 Isle of Wight, VA? 

Lisa, are you descended from William Carver alias Braswell?
Thru what child?  What is your lineage?

We descend from William's son Sampson Carver &
our lineages are on 
http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green/Bras.html

I have added you to that web page under prospects for
our email.  If you want to stop receiving my incessant
email, let me know.  Where did you get William Carver's
birth year?
--
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          & http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/
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  26. 
From: Tom B Atkinson 
To: "James W. Green III" 
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:49:53 -0500
Subject: Rhoda Edmunson
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do u have anything on ancestors of rhoda edmonson- wife of Sampson
carver?- just checking.
tom
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